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welcome back my friends back to the

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midnight hour show

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my name is stephen cambion and i'll be

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your host tonight we're going to be

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skipping our usual intro and some of

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those things just to save as much time

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as possible for our interview tonight so

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here we go this is a conversation

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between michael horn the u.s media

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representative

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for billy meyer and myself previous to

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this conversation i had called billy

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meyer a fraud a fake

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and i have to say most of the people on

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my show that i identify as a fraud a

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fake or a con man will not come on my

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show

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and no one from their camps

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will answer any questions

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this is a rare thing

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because

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in the billy meyer camp is michael horn

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the champion of billy myers case

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this guy really believes that billy

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meyer is the real deal

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questions i have

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now i'm gonna try to fit in all the

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questions i can

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i'm gonna do everything i can to make it

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a great interview and worthy of

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listening to i don't have time for

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anything else so let's just get right to

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it this is me and michael horn

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and i'm so excited to be able to take

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you guys with me

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i am so pleased to finally get to speak

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to you in person

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me too

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all this silly stuff online

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tweeting and all the rest is good to

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have a little direct communication

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going to be i hope delighted to try to

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give you some answers from my

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perspective

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and hopefully give you some

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resolution to some questions

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that would be excellent and i thought

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that in the spirit of cooperation we

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could start with something that i think

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we have common ground on before we get

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into the particulars of billy's case

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sure

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that is i have previously uh spent a

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great deal of research time on the bob

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and and i am sufficiently convinced that

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it is all a money-making scam and has no

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basis in reality

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one of but one of the things that i

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which i wanted to know if you agree with

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and that is that john lee was on record

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bob lazar came out with a story gene

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huff and bob lazar visited john lear's

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and did a real estate appraisal in

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exchange for

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all of the billy meyer material copies

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of all of the billy meyer material oh

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but my point is that's the first bit of

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evidence that bob lazar copied a great

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deal of things or that to me opened the

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door to to the speculation that bob

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model that he says he worked on had tiny

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seats for three foot tall humanoids or

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grays as many people would say and billy

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that bob lazar has not been bothered at

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all by anybody for supposedly releasing

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what would be probably top secret

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if you're a real whistleblower there's

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consequences look at edward snowden

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there's been no consequences for him

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money from the story despite him saying

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that he doesn't make any money his book

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well you know stephen to be really

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pretty sure he's getting paid for that

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contemporary ufology i've

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you but i want to mention that to my

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listeners because i'm sure they'll find

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it of interest it's called ufo liars

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what i said maybe we have some common

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out surprisingly that i don't have any

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beliefs about anything in the meyer case

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it but for mo for what's called ufology

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that is filled again with charlatans

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of them worked at that event i don't

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i i'll tell them their faces

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uh and i you know just to to beat that

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dead horse i'll tell you why i take such

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list every one of them nick pope and

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over the years either sent to or in the

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case of stephen greer in a public forum

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for free so that he could you know stop

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parading those nice people who sure they

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decline these people are phonies why

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singular truth of the thing that they

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that they want to find and not a one of

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of evidence of anything of verifiable

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the truth is and quite frankly i can

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even author about 12 seconds well you

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material and watched it with gene huff

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gene huff because john lear gave copies

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he john lear had it all and he had to

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how his ships were powered as well

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so you know what do you think of the

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connection or the likelihood that bob

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same as it's true for people like the

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behavior lazar i'm sure right in there

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you just throw them all in there because

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they're all playing this game it is

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simply disinformation distraction and

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profit

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to me

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well uh couldn't the same be said for

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billy meyer profiting off of his story i

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mean no no i'll tell you why i mean i

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don't mean to jump too quickly but

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here's here's the reality of a lot of

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people say oh cult cultists and that

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billy meyer and his group he has a group

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of people he who like him operate

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within

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a

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i've gone now 20 times i didn't see it

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this year to be honest but uh every year

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at the monthly meeting in may

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for the international people you know

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group people that come from around the

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world to participate that's a small

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group

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they show their financials and it zeroes

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out you know what came in what was what

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came in from publishing or what

308
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donations and what were the costs and

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when they publish their books they

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publish very high quality books they're

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not inexpensive

312
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now you don't have to buy myers books in

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order to get the gist of his writings

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because on several websites including

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mine including

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a very good one from britain called

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future of mankind

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they put up contact reports up into the

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700s which is now where we're at with

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those

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and we have

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lots of articles from what we call the

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spiritual teaching

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on my site uh and on other sites and

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there's other people

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internationally that put the information

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up for free well you know i do have a

328
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question though sure uh i i mentioned to

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you that when i was a child that was the

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time i first saw a billy meyer

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photograph and it was in a ufo book and

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i cannot recall what the book was i was

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so young when i first saw that

334
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and uh one of the things i wondered

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looking into this again

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is

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all of the photographs and and the films

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which are available online are very very

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terrible quality

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but i'm told that in the books they're

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really great quality the books that you

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purchase

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so what i i guess what i want to know is

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why can't we have an archive somewhere

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of the highest quality

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rescan the negatives if the negatives

347
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are available so that maybe a new

348
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generation of people can look at these

349
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sure instead of relying on instead of

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relying on

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the the word of people from like the

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1970s about their authenticity with

353
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their 1970s computers and equipment you

354
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know right well let me let me jump into

355
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that for you first of all

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there's uh some of the films are

357
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actually fairly good quality they may be

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a couple generations down and some of

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the stuff that's online and some of the

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photos a lot of the photos a matter of

361
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fact that you can just get you know for

362
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free are pretty good quality but

363
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recently what happened was within the

364
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last two years they digitized about

365
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617

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of myers primarily but not exclusively

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daytime photos

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and this is very interesting where this

369
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goes because

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uh they're in a book and you know sure

371
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it's an expensive book and all that but

372
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you can somebody is certainly going to

373
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at some point scan those in or whatever

374
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that's fine

375
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billy is not all that concerned with ufo

376
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photos and i know that firsthand now

377
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in those photos because the book

378
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whatever book you saw

379
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when you were younger didn't include

380
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some very very

381
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important photos of myers

382
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and so i do want to do that and i'll

383
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stay on this or any part of it you want

384
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i want to throw in the 12 second

385
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oh sure yes uh we we can definitely we

386
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can definitely go to that you say that

387
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you could sum up the truth of the billy

388
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meyer case in a in a very short

389
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sustained kind of way i would love to

390
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hear that

391
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here is a statement that i didn't author

392
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but i want you to

393
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pay attention to it then of course i've

394
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got the full article six pages online

395
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and i'll explain all about it but here's

396
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what's said by the person that wrote it

397
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now the first question in

398
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everyone's mind should be

399
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where did billy meyer get a photo album

400
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:10,069
now this turns out to actually be the

401
00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:12,639
foundational evidence and it turns out

402
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to be ironclad so let me fill you in and

403
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i don't mind questions or challenges you

404
00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:18,480
know i make statements and people go oh

405
00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:20,560
he's over the top so let me see i i

406
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definitely want to get into some of this

407
00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:25,040
photographic evidence and the counter

408
00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:27,440
arguments for some of it as well sure

409
00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:28,720
because you also don't know that there

410
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have been recent state-of-the-art

411
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computer analysis of some of the most

412
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interesting and controversial for that i

413
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would be very i have a background in

414
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computer science i would be very

415
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interested in that oh perfect and and

416
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we're going to get all this and i'll be

417
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:44,480
able to send you links on everything

418
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:46,480
we're speaking about so great

419
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here's what i want to tell you about the

420
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paragraph that i read the short

421
00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:51,120
paragraph

422
00:15:54,629 --> 00:15:52,880
this was authored by a man who

423
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approached me two and a half years ago

424
00:15:59,509 --> 00:15:56,880
on the phone i didn't know him an older

425
00:16:02,069 --> 00:15:59,519
guy gruff very intense he said his name

426
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:02,079
was joe he said i'm an investigator are

427
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:04,160
you michael horn i said yes i am do you

428
00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:06,399
want to talk about this billy meyer case

429
00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:08,480
with me i said sure that's what i do he

430
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:10,240
said now are you sure because i think it

431
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:11,680
could be a hoax i said yeah well let's

432
00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:12,639
go

433
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for three months we went back and forth

434
00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:17,120
every saturday morning the phone rang it

435
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:19,360
was joe's about 8 30 or 9

436
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and he'd ask questions i could tell some

437
00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:23,199
of the answers weren't all that

438
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:24,959
satisfying other ones were

439
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:27,440
interesting so he disappears

440
00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:29,279
at the end of march

441
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:30,720
then the phone rings at the end of

442
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:34,880
august of 2017 and it's joe and joe says

443
00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:36,399
it's me he's still willing to talk to me

444
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:38,000
he said yeah of course

445
00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:39,839
he said okay tell you what i want to do

446
00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:41,680
i want to tell you who i am and then i

447
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:43,120
want to tell you about your billy myer

448
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:46,079
case i said well fine he said i am

449
00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:48,959
formerly a top investigator

450
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:51,600
with the usaf osi that's the united

451
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:53,759
states air force office of special

452
00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:55,040
investigation

453
00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:56,720
uh we don't have anything to do with

454
00:17:01,990 --> 00:16:58,240
ufos but

455
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:02,000
i have personally vetted i supervised

456
00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:04,400
investigated hundreds

457
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:06,240
of people hundreds in

458
00:17:09,909 --> 00:17:07,839
in the room with them vetting them and

459
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:09,919
their credibility and

460
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:11,520
their nature and their character because

461
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:12,959
a lot of these people could have their

462
00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:15,280
finger one day some of them anyhow

463
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:17,520
on the nuclear trigger these were

464
00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:19,520
people already in office running for

465
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:21,439
office aspiring for higher office

466
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:22,959
military people

467
00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:24,959
he said and also we would ferret out

468
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:27,679
moles and spies and so he says i i know

469
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:29,760
how to investigate and i took

470
00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:32,559
very standard investigative procedure to

471
00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:34,559
the information of the case but i did

472
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:36,320
something a little different i said what

473
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:39,600
he says i went right back to the 1964

474
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:41,679
india photographs

475
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,440
and that article

476
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:45,600
published in that newspaper the delhi

477
00:17:50,549 --> 00:17:48,400
statesman in 1964 september

478
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:50,559
and i said yeah he said well

479
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:52,559
i researched that newspaper had been

480
00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:54,960
around for at least 100 years before

481
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:57,440
highly credible the man who was the

482
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:00,160
reporter also solid credentials there's

483
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:02,880
billy myers photograph in there he's 27

484
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,679
years old and this guy is telling how he

485
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:07,600
meets this vagabond traveling around

486
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:10,880
with a knapsack and an album with 80 ufo

487
00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:13,039
photos and you've got about a dozen of

488
00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:16,400
those photos to this day the same photos

489
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:18,320
so all these skeptics that are attacking

490
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:19,440
your case

491
00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:20,880
and that's what i just read you that

492
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:22,080
whole thing

493
00:18:25,950 --> 00:18:24,000
the first question their mind should be

494
00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:25,960
where did billy meyer

495
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:27,520
1964

496
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:30,799
get a photo album with dozens of ufo

497
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:34,640
photos taken back in 64. and by the way

498
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:37,520
with a kodak bellows camera which my

499
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:39,840
editorial here my father had one very

500
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,720
very

501
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,400
clumsy thing to operate

502
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:44,559
no special effects possible with that

503
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,960
thing uh you were lucky to you know when

504
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:48,559
it got developed that you had nice good

505
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:50,720
black and white photos he said look and

506
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:53,360
then i looked into this woman pogba

507
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:56,240
chang who at the time that meyer was in

508
00:19:00,549 --> 00:18:59,600
india was a young girl at the ashram of

509
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:00,559
her

510
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:05,760
ashram and that years later in 1995 or

511
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:07,679
eight she came forward with another

512
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:09,520
woman who had been there

513
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:12,080
and they just you know gave a

514
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:14,720
press conference it's videotaped and she

515
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:16,400
had nothing to gain neither of them did

516
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:18,559
by coming forward to tell what they had

517
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,480
seen that there were 100 eyewitnesses

518
00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:22,559
too often times when these craft were

519
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:24,320
hovering there was a woman who walked

520
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:26,720
the grounds you know i got one one thing

521
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,320
that bothered me

522
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,080
i'm sorry one thing that bothers me i've

523
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,480
heard this story i i in fact i listened

524
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:34,640
to her entire i listened to everything

525
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,240
that i could find this woman speaking

526
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:38,880
about the case one thing that bothers me

527
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,160
though when you say well hundreds of

528
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:42,720
people witness these craft

529
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:45,280
there is not a single

530
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:46,559
source

531
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:48,320
of pictures or

532
00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:49,679
or evidence

533
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:52,240
of that taking place from anyone other

534
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,039
than billy meyer why has no one else

535
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:57,200
independently taken a picture or

536
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,640
provided there are

537
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:00,799
five other friends i've heard i've heard

538
00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:03,760
michael i've heard you say that too that

539
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:06,159
oh hundreds of people witnessed this or

540
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,720
or a small group was with billy when

541
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,320
this beam ship came in and that beam

542
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,320
ship i keep hearing that all these

543
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:15,360
people we don't have a single photograph

544
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,440
or from anyone other than billy meyer

545
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,760
though i'll have to find them but there

546
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,080
are there's also no independent

547
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:24,559
photographers okay but there's also no

548
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:27,600
other independent person outside of

549
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:29,919
billy myers circle that has ever taken a

550
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,360
picture of the

551
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:34,159
same craft no that's what i'm saying

552
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:35,919
there was somebody

553
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,480
in another country who did

554
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,559
accidentally capture one of the craft

555
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:42,720
and sent found out about meyer and sent

556
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,720
the photo for him to see you know they

557
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:46,559
know you're right i do recall i do

558
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,200
recall that one that yeah well

559
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,600
and here's the thing there's over 125

560
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:52,960
eyewitnesses right now if we want to

561
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,480
talk about it i'm an eyewitness i've

562
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:56,400
been within 20 feet of a crap but that's

563
00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:59,120
anecdotal so let me stop you right there

564
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,480
uh that leads me to another question

565
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:04,480
why has no one taken a picture of these

566
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,760
craft with a modern digital camera

567
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:09,120
well i'll tell you

568
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:10,480
as meyer

569
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,440
well you know

570
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:13,360
let's we'll do the one allegedly because

571
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:14,159
people

572
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:15,919
uh you know there's i will just tell you

573
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:17,840
according to the information of the case

574
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,120
and then people can make up their own

575
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,520
mind as an approach

576
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,159
okay 1980 81

577
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:26,159
meyer was talking to them after he took

578
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:27,360
and i know you'll want to talk about

579
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,200
this one the wedding craft but we can

580
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:31,679
get to that he said something about some

581
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,480
more photos or films and they said to

582
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:36,320
him we're not going to do any more photo

583
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:39,679
ops you have over 1200

584
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,960
ufo photos eight films and a video

585
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,400
you know all taken with pre-digital

586
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:46,080
equipment and the problem is that we're

587
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,360
entering

588
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,520
the digital age on earth and you're

589
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:52,000
going to be attacked anyhow for all of

590
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,360
this stuff all of your evidence

591
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,600
everything you wrote and it would be

592
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:58,400
pointless if once digital equipment is

593
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,440
available

594
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,760
that we take photographs or allow

595
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,840
photographs or films or what have you

596
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:05,679
now this speaks also

597
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:08,320
to the three new analyses that were done

598
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:11,919
with 21st century technology and you'll

599
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,640
we

600
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,640
you know in regard to the photo evidence

601
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,240
though i mean

602
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,960
uh i i mean i have to be very

603
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,960
i just blunt like

604
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,720
a lot of people say they're just models

605
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,960
on strings and oh

606
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,799
first let me get to one one other point

607
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,039
that i need to make you're saying that a

608
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:31,440
retired osi

609
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,480
officer

610
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:34,159
investigated billy meyer and said yeah

611
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,280
it's it's

612
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,919
this this may be a genuine case and all

613
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,400
no he didn't say that he said he's

614
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,200
genuine and he will take on any skeptics

615
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,760
on my behalf he took on kevin randle

616
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,520
that lasted two minutes and he took on a

617
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,760
guy in india that lasted two minutes

618
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,760
because none of these people in the ufo

619
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,480
community are competent to discuss

620
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:56,880
research well here let me let me let me

621
00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,200
see you one

622
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,320
one air force osi

623
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,000
investigator

624
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,799
that says billy myers case is genuine i

625
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:09,440
s i see you have that card and i will

626
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:12,159
raise you my card which is in another

627
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,360
air force

628
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,840
office of special investigation

629
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,400
uh former employee

630
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,120
richard doty who says

631
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,880
in an interview with that i conducted

632
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,480
with him he

633
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,880
was called in to look into the meyer

634
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,400
case

635
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,029
government officials from billy myers

636
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,880
country

637
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:36,640
they went and when they went out there

638
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:40,159
they found strings and things in in odd

639
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,279
places

640
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:43,919
and and many other things that let me so

641
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:46,799
they had they had an uh the the photos

642
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,919
analyzed and saw strings they had photos

643
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:52,000
analyzed that said it was forced

644
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:53,279
perspective

645
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:57,039
it's a model there's miniatures this art

646
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,840
these photos are fake so when but here's

647
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,679
the thing michael when you say i you

648
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:03,360
know you you make these statements like

649
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,559
i have a an air force office of special

650
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,960
investigations investigator that looked

651
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,200
in and said this is a real case well

652
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,440
there's a another guy that looked into

653
00:24:25,550 --> 00:24:15,520
it with the officials from billy myers

654
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:35,510
[Music]

655
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,430
the investigator said and i said to him

656
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,960
well do you want to go on any show he

657
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,240
says look

658
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,720
i gave you an analysis

659
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:44,559
that doesn't require

660
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,840
me or anybody else anybody who knows how

661
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,679
to think if they go through my six page

662
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,400
article they will find how they can

663
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:54,880
determine the truth for themselves and

664
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,279
he says that's why i'm telling you it's

665
00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:00,080
ironclad now he went into things like

666
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,679
the films and the fact that wally

667
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:03,440
gentleman who was the special effects

668
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,679
director for 2001 did a whole thing

669
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,440
he actually made a model for the

670
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,960
investigators to take over to take

671
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,799
photographs so they could compare them

672
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,400
to myers photographs he said look

673
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,720
gentleman says what about but but what

674
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:18,000
about

675
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:22,480
langdon on youtube because i work with

676
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,360
phil langdon in 2009 to help him make

677
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,559
his best efforts but phil langdon

678
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:31,120
two things one way i should just i just

679
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,720
i should just explain to my listeners

680
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,480
very very very quickly i'll be very very

681
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:36,240
quick phil langdon is a person on

682
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,880
youtube that i believe he's devastated

683
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,799
the videos and models and he's done it

684
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,799
all using one arm

685
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,120
because an argument has been made that a

686
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,200
one-armed man couldn't hang the strings

687
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,440
and build these models so he did this

688
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,520
stuff with one arm steven how do you

689
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:53,360
know he did it with one arm

690
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,919
because i have some information that

691
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:58,159
shows me he didn't and not only that let

692
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,360
me go further

693
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,000
i tried to help him to make his best

694
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:04,240
efforts because i know the evidence is

695
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,080
real and it's another matter but i said

696
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,400
fine take your best shot he produced a

697
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,039
video of the so-called famous pendulum

698
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,120
craft and then i pointed out to him that

699
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:15,600
he neglected to show that the craft

700
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,400
suddenly stops at an angle going up to

701
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,679
the left

702
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:21,600
for about four seconds and then resumes

703
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,480
its moment oh he attached another wire

704
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,279
okay so how many wires would one arm

705
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,679
billy meyer have to have to pull that

706
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,840
off now let's go a little farther and

707
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,760
phil langdon i said great phil you

708
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,600
because phil langdon is a brilliant

709
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,760
model maker i told him i said you're

710
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,440
terrific you don't have you didn't

711
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:41,840
duplicate meyer's stuff but you created

712
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,320
a similar effect i said so

713
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,559
but i gotta i gotta tell you just just

714
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,840
from my eyes it looks pretty close it

715
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,080
looks really really nice yeah but your

716
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,400
part but the the thing is like what you

717
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,120
just said with this okay so in one video

718
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,520
the the craft didn't make the exact

719
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,919
movement that it made in mind

720
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:04,159
i mean this is this is like

721
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:06,799
steven tiny details wait a second hold

722
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,520
on in all due respect i've i've spent 40

723
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,000
years on this rolling it around thinking

724
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,919
it's a hoax myself

725
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,080
trying to trick meyer four times in

726
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,919
three years oh so let me just back it up

727
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,840
so you understand what i'm saying the

728
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,320
guy can build a model and puts a little

729
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,240
miniature tree out and he's got all the

730
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,559
time in the world after looking at

731
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,200
meyer's evidence fine you take your best

732
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,120
shot at quote-unquote duplicating it and

733
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,960
then i asked him a simple question after

734
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,200
he couldn't do it the first time i said

735
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,679
phil with all your nice video and

736
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,000
photographs please have them analyze the

737
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:42,320
same standards that myers were

738
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,520
he wouldn't why because the camera

739
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:47,760
analysis the computer analysis is going

740
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,120
to show exactly what the facts are and

741
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,360
it's going to show exactly what happened

742
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,760
in the 19 late 70s when they brought a

743
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,679
model over from mgm

744
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,440
that was his name

745
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,960
wally gentleman had supervised the

746
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,960
production and they shot photographs in

747
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,279
the same locations it will show that

748
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,919
these are small models close to the

749
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,279
camera

750
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,200
and this is nothing that richard doty

751
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,240
and all that bs these listen i had a guy

752
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,960
come up to me in 2004

753
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,480
and he said to me

754
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,080
i want to tell you about something you

755
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,399
know billy meyer's photos and claims

756
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,159
about strings he says i have to

757
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,919
apologize i said what are you talking

758
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,840
about he says do you know who cal korff

759
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,840
is i said sure calcorph is the biggest

760
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:31,679
opponent of the case i was going to ask

761
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,240
you about him yeah well my notes here

762
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,440
yeah yeah well this is all connected

763
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,159
so he said to me well cal approached me

764
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,760
when he was doing his book spaceship of

765
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,679
the pleiades because i'm an illustrator

766
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:45,760
and graphics and all he said what would

767
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,279
it take to put some lines in here

768
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,000
where these ufos are kind of show that

769
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,880
they're suspended or moving

770
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,559
and he says at first i was uncomfortable

771
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,960
with it but i did it for him and he said

772
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,880
if you don't believe me first of all

773
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,960
here's cal's card he gave me kelkor

774
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,640
scott i don't know if i still have it he

775
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,559
said here's my card and his name is

776
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,880
garrett morse and he since has written

777
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,120
an expose about this he was approached

778
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,960
by course to do it i had my own

779
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:15,279
experience with corp i'll get to if it's

780
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,880
interesting enough later on because i

781
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,520
was warned by the imaginary play iron

782
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,840
extraterrestrials through meyer about a

783
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,080
trap that kalkoff was setting for me

784
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,559
yeah i've heard you talk about that yes

785
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:28,320
now but let's get back to the photos and

786
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:29,360
stuff

787
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,440
as i said i would take nothing away from

788
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,000
oh phil langdon's making good models and

789
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,480
nice forced perspective but he can't he

790
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:40,559
won't have any of his photos tested

791
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,760
because they won't hold up now can i ask

792
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,600
can i ask you but can i ask an important

793
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,960
question because

794
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,159
this is something that i've wanted to

795
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,720
ask you for a long time i i've heard you

796
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:52,799
over and over again talk about the photo

797
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:55,600
analysis and and i'm a data i'm a data

798
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,320
guy i have never

799
00:30:01,510 --> 00:30:00,640
to be to be clear to my audience i have

800
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,520
not

801
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,360
purchased materials

802
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,360
okay from billy meyer i have not

803
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,440
purchased a book you know or

804
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,679
or video or anything like that

805
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:11,919
but i would be very very interested in

806
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:13,840
seeing all of the data

807
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:16,399
of all of the photo analysis

808
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:19,520
in one in one place in one like three

809
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,840
okay oh

810
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:23,520
great here's what

811
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:24,559
let me

812
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,840
lock in on this because it's very

813
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:28,000
important although the ufos believe it

814
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,960
or not

815
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,200
at the least important aspect

816
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:33,279
people are interested and and i know in

817
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:34,640
our conversation we're going to get down

818
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:35,840
to the nitty

819
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,799
this is just to me the eye candy it's

820
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,640
and why it's real now let's go back to

821
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:42,960
something and we'll march through this

822
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,440
we have in our six page document for mr

823
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,640
tisk

824
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,559
the basic and i had spoken about this

825
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,720
even before i ever heard from him

826
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,480
mmo the means the motive and the

827
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,760
opportunity

828
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,120
now

829
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,519
because the skeptics cannot

830
00:31:02,029 --> 00:30:58,960
cannot show

831
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,039
with any evidence credibly that meyer's

832
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,559
1964 photos

833
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:07,200
are not authentic you have to stop right

834
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:09,039
there and say well wait a minute as tisk

835
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:10,480
does

836
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,360
if this is real is there really anything

837
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,919
in it for meyer to hoax anything okay

838
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:18,240
put that question aside but how come all

839
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,120
of his

840
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,720
photos and films and everything were

841
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:22,480
better and he you know after he lost his

842
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,840
arm i mean

843
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:25,760
we have to be in the real world not in

844
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:26,559
the

845
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:30,880
who don't know crap about anything so

846
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:33,760
let's come back to it

847
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,039
12 of those 80 photos still exist

848
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,519
we have them i think i've got a good

849
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,960
number of them up on the website i

850
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,799
certainly can find and send the stuff

851
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,320
it's all free that you don't have to buy

852
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,240
billy myers books yeah hey listen

853
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,240
admittedly maybe i just wasn't looking

854
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,320
in the right place you know okay i got

855
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,760
it i'm offended to you

856
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:53,919
when you see it's more what do you know

857
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:57,760
more common ground well i am all about

858
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,320
facts and evidence not hype now you have

859
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,640
to just not give a nod to something

860
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:04,559
we're talking about a guy in 64 that's

861
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:07,760
got 80 ufo photos richard dolan corey

862
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:11,200
good the rest of them one authentic no

863
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,320
nothing

864
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,559
this is why i really detest i have such

865
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:17,200
contempt for this fraudulent thing that

866
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:20,480
has done more harm to humankind i'm i

867
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,919
will get into it what they have

868
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:24,159
prevented from coming forward when we

869
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,440
get into it

870
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,679
we are now in i'll just jump to it for a

871
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:29,519
second and i'll come back to the euro

872
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,080
we are in a state of irreversible

873
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:35,039
unstoppable climate destruction because

874
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,399
these mfs to a large degree even worse

875
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,760
than the government because these people

876
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,360
were out there saying they're

877
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,519
investigating and they're gonna get they

878
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:45,840
have suppressed it all and do you know

879
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:48,799
that starting in 1951 meyer is the first

880
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:51,919
person i know of who forewarned about

881
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,640
all of it not just climate change but

882
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,480
unnatural global warming the damage to

883
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,159
the ozone from the atomic testing the

884
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,840
connection between extraction of

885
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,000
petroleum natural gas mining of wars and

886
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,840
earthquakes and buckets yes and let me

887
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:06,000
stop you let me stop you and ask you a

888
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,840
very important question all of that

889
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,679
information all that information that

890
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:11,519
you're talking about that is prophetic

891
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,000
information apparently

892
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,080
where did it come from did the aliens

893
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,000
write it and give it to him did they

894
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,559
inspire him to write it where did the

895
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,960
writings all come from okay

896
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,200
let's go according to the information

897
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,360
in the case again it is said that meyer

898
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,360
began his face-to-face voluntary

899
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,159
contacts with these human beings when he

900
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:33,919
was five years old that he was tutored

901
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,799
for the first 11 years until he was 16

902
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,519
by a man named spot okay what can we do

903
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,760
with that all right whatever there it is

904
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:44,240
svath gave him a tremendous amount of

905
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,000
information and ostensibly also took him

906
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:50,159
to see things one of the things that he

907
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,919
reported seeing on the moon we didn't

908
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,519
even discover until

909
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,440
so much of this is where it gets really

910
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:57,600
fascinating but let me let me lock in on

911
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,320
that

912
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,440
so

913
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,240
meyer is told and shown

914
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,320
things that are going to come

915
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,880
future events ostensibly

916
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,800
that his teacher

917
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,800
was able to determine through time

918
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,320
travel which is a very depressing

919
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,480
thought because it means they saw it

920
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,919
like it happens

921
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,520
if it's true

922
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,159
and beginning in 51 when he's 14 years

923
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,839
of age boy permeate

924
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,240
when was he 14 yeah 51.

925
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,839
he publishes

926
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,240
the environmental warnings and these of

927
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,200
course are things that he has also been

928
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,119
taught to think quite well by the time

929
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,119
he's seven he can think like a 35 year

930
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,040
old man we're told okay

931
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,919
so he has information especially now at

932
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,000
this point for the first 11 years from

933
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:44,800
this teacher and he's told to publish it

934
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,599
he turns to a school teacher of his i

935
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,119
think it was professor layman and

936
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,200
another one who was also there they

937
00:34:55,550 --> 00:34:54,560
helped him send out 3 000 copies of this

938
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,560
stuff

939
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:57,200
1951

940
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,160
you know

941
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:00,079
running it off maybe in a mimeograph

942
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,760
machine or whatever and sending three

943
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,599
thousand copies around the world to

944
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,240
governments to scientists to people

945
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,240
nobody's responding to this stuff and

946
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,320
it's quite detailed and i have links to

947
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,480
all of that it's all free

948
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,000
and i'll just tell you something else

949
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:16,640
for the people that may wonder i do all

950
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,839
my work representing the case for free

951
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,320
in other words meyer and his people do

952
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,359
not pay me i don't pay them if anybody

953
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,920
pays me to go and speak at a ufo event

954
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,920
where i'm basically i call it persona or

955
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,160
grotman at this point that's great i can

956
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,800
get 150 bucks to show up at some event

957
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:35,760
but

958
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,480
i am i am doing this voluntarily because

959
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,720
it was the only way i knew how to keep

960
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,200
it clean so that the inevitable year in

961
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:45,680
it for the money all this stuff wouldn't

962
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,320
be true yeah and you know what i'm i'm

963
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,240
having the same battles with doing my

964
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,800
show and monetizing it having the same

965
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:55,440
kind of battles so i'm there with you

966
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,400
look that more common ground well but

967
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,040
here you know i want to ask you a couple

968
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:03,839
of questions though

969
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:06,160
the theory let's just call it a theory

970
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,200
that these

971
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:10,240
things in the pictures are not

972
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:13,359
are models they are not full-size space

973
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,400
okay

974
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:16,960
all right the theory is pretty

975
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,760
believable and people have pointed and

976
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,200
and shown

977
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,119
or let me let me be very clear with what

978
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,760
i'm saying i i want to say it right

979
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:26,720
people

980
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,440
have accused uh billy meyer many times

981
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:31,920
of using a trash can lid on the bottom

982
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:34,640
of some of these so-called models if we

983
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,160
love it okay

984
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,359
and then and then

985
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:41,760
you i i want to say

986
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,640
billy and an alien that he spoke to

987
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,640
explained why they looked like trash

988
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:48,960
cans by saying they inspired something

989
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:51,920
in humanity and we misinterpreted and

990
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,040
made the trash can lid look like

991
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,119
what they were trying to inspire

992
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,839
right let me jump on that okay so okay

993
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,160
but just to be clear the skeptics say

994
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:04,160
it's a trash can lid and then right you

995
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,880
guys

996
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,040
so your site sort of said well there's a

997
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,520
reason why it looks like a trash can lid

998
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:12,000
okay so let me please explain this to me

999
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,760
first this is a very quick this is a

1000
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,240
crazy part of this let's march back just

1001
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:18,160
one or two sentences

1002
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,160
models in 2006 now remember we've got

1003
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,240
this whole analysis about why meyer is

1004
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,320
authentic that anybody it doesn't

1005
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,160
require an osi guide because it's

1006
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,320
written for the state of making a case

1007
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:32,400
based on evidence then we've got wally

1008
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,680
gentleman 2001. we also have michael uh

1009
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,599
malin who invented the mars orbiter

1010
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,079
camera and a bunch of other people on

1011
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,160
record published in books saying these

1012
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,760
are good photos they represent a real

1013
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,760
phenomenon i don't know about these the

1014
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:47,280
story about aliens but these are not

1015
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:49,320
hoaxes okay we got a lot of that then in

1016
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:52,320
2006 i personally went to a company

1017
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,119
called

1018
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:54,960
uncharted territory

1019
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,359
the film that well phil langdon thought

1020
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,160
he could duplicate and that also wally

1021
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,240
gentleman also said well i can wally

1022
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,240
gentleman said i can duplicate that film

1023
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,720
and it would only cost me 50 000 this is

1024
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,800
1978 or 80.

1025
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,800
i would only need a crew of 15 people

1026
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:14,800
and about 80 000

1027
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,680
now i go in 2006

1028
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:19,520
to the company called uncharted

1029
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:20,800
territory

1030
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,599
uh

1031
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:23,920
volcker engel and mark something or

1032
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:26,320
other okay these are the guys that won

1033
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,400
the academy award for special effects

1034
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,400
for independence day

1035
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:34,640
very contemporaneous

1036
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:37,760
21st century special effects

1037
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,880
and so i said here watch this film

1038
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:42,720
is that can you do what is that you know

1039
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,680
model what is that they said well no

1040
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,599
it's not a ma i said could you duplicate

1041
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,880
that they said

1042
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,680
well

1043
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,920
uh we could but we'd have to go to cg on

1044
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,680
that because

1045
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,440
based on what we're looking at here it's

1046
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,839
a real tree there's a farmer he would

1047
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,359
need a crane

1048
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,920
and a large object and several

1049
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,079
wires being controlled and as wally

1050
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,160
gentleman pointed out the thing the

1051
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,800
problems with myers films and photos is

1052
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,200
the sunlight is falling exactly where it

1053
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,119
should if it's a real object i mean

1054
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,320
these were p these are not ufo chatter

1055
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:18,480
boxes i think i think just to be clear

1056
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,280
though

1057
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,280
because we can move we really have a lot

1058
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,040
to cover is your point is they're not

1059
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,760
models right so let's go to the wc ufo

1060
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:28,800
the so-called trash can but first of all

1061
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,599
when you do side-by-side analyses you

1062
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,240
will find out that it's not the same

1063
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,160
thing yeah is it close

1064
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,920
it's very interesting and close but

1065
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:39,760
here's the problem but what about the

1066
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,880
statement that the aliens inspired

1067
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:45,280
humanity and yeah that's what i wanted

1068
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:46,320
to get to

1069
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,040
but let's because to be very honest to

1070
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:51,440
be very honest michael and i i just

1071
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,079
listen to me that explanation just

1072
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,880
sounds like ridiculous it sounds like

1073
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,960
you were trying to defend against what

1074
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,800
people found to be true which was that

1075
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,560
it was a trash can live because

1076
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,480
because occam's razor what is the

1077
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,240
simplest explanation that a guy made a

1078
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,920
model out of a trash can later that

1079
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,040
aliens

1080
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,440
inspired humans and we somehow made the

1081
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:12,960
trash can lid look like they're flying

1082
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:15,680
saucers so that's all opinion stuff and

1083
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:19,760
that's fine but let's go to this fact

1084
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,720
the analysis the actual analysis of

1085
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,000
myers photos and i'm going to get to

1086
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,319
where you can find that and there's

1087
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,079
you're going to have to do your own due

1088
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,240
diligence

1089
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,319
i have a link on on the site where you

1090
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,480
can take one of the

1091
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,240
photos of that craft right off the

1092
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,480
internet and drop into photoshop you

1093
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,240
change the contrast you change the

1094
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,720
brightness and this nighttime photo that

1095
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,040
the skeptics say is a model against a

1096
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,440
black background turns out to be a large

1097
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,920
object hovering over a road now let me

1098
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,119
back up

1099
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,359
that object is determined to be there's

1100
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:55,440
three that we're told in this case the

1101
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,319
smallest one is seven feet in diameter

1102
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:00,560
do you think that there is a seven foot

1103
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:04,000
in diameter garbage can lid does anybody

1104
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,160
have one well how do we know that's

1105
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,160
really a seven foot odd you know

1106
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,839
diameter object

1107
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:12,960
in nineteen no in 2015 or so a guy named

1108
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:15,599
raul zahi

1109
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,960
did a 74-page analysis

1110
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,720
state-of-the-art computer technology

1111
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,480
that you will understand far better than

1112
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,040
i i'm not a computer tech guy sure yeah

1113
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,280
he's google earth he triangulated he did

1114
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:29,680
the whole thing and we have to remember

1115
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,720
meyer took 64 photos and one five minute

1116
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,920
video of this this a lot of work go

1117
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,160
ahead and set up model shots at first

1118
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,319
make your models of three different

1119
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,680
sizes so they're going to appear at

1120
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:44,000
least bigger in every case or smaller

1121
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,240
and then set up 64 shots and then do a

1122
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,319
five minute video of it okay broad

1123
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,880
daylight by the way so what i leave you

1124
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,800
with here is i don't care what people

1125
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,319
say i don't even care what billy says

1126
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,960
about it what's the analysis going to

1127
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,160
reveal

1128
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,200
there are two books at least now about

1129
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,000
at least one and the oh no the 74 page

1130
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,839
analysis which i have online you're

1131
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,520
going to have all this this evening and

1132
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,800
plenty of time

1133
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,119
for you to do whatever you want with it

1134
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,560
on your you know when you publish your

1135
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,560
interview and i can put you in touch

1136
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:16,400
with these people these people are not

1137
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,760
you know hiding out anywhere they're

1138
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,520
glad to talk to you but since you're a

1139
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:22,000
computer guy you will understand two

1140
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:22,960
things

1141
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,520
when meyer took these photos

1142
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,359
and they were analyzed with the state of

1143
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:30,480
the art technology of the time meyer

1144
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,280
didn't have access to that technology

1145
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:35,280
and he didn't have access to the 21st

1146
00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:38,480
century technology and when the sounds

1147
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:39,960
created

1148
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,800
ostensibly by this what they call the wc

1149
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,119
ufo or wedding craft ship were analyzed

1150
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,440
in four different sound labs one of them

1151
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,000
was the undersea lab at naval industry

1152
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,000
lab at groton connecticut i have heard

1153
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,119
this over and over and over again and uh

1154
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:57,280
one thing that i have to say is i don't

1155
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:58,560
know what to think about the sound

1156
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:01,599
evidence except that i will say that to

1157
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,400
my ears uh it sounds like an early

1158
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,880
analog synthesizer being used to

1159
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:08,319
generate this

1160
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,440
ring

1161
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,880
yeah but that's not what the scopes show

1162
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,960
that's not what was determined in four

1163
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:14,720
separate sound lamps and let's go back

1164
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,599
what is that sound evidence that's meyer

1165
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,000
recording sounds coming down from the

1166
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:22,720
freaking sky with as many as 17

1167
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,520
eyewitnesses including an

1168
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,520
an undercover policeman with people

1169
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,599
coming from four kilometers away i've

1170
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,839
been in one of those fields they're open

1171
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:34,480
would you would you agree with me though

1172
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:38,319
if i say that that sound sounds like

1173
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:39,200
some

1174
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,760
in a 1960s science fiction film

1175
00:43:49,230 --> 00:43:47,920
or am i wrong or am i wrong doesn't that

1176
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,240
sound like a

1177
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,880
1960s

1178
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:53,200
sci-fi sound effect

1179
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,720
great it sounds like it but let's find

1180
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,440
out what it is and that's what you

1181
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,359
you know the sound recording analyses

1182
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,200
are on my website too i've got all this

1183
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,960
stuff and you can go ahead and you can

1184
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,480
try and duplicate

1185
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:06,240
those sounds yourself and that means

1186
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:09,440
anybody listening and scope them so that

1187
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,079
on even the sound uh you know analyzers

1188
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,319
from the 1970s early 80s that you're

1189
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,319
going to get the same interface of 24

1190
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,720
audible um you know frequencies with

1191
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,960
overtones indicating another eight

1192
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,599
frequencies but go ahead do it can i ask

1193
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:25,040
can i ask another question that i've

1194
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:26,560
never heard but wait a minute before you

1195
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,319
do we're crediting this one-armed guy

1196
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:32,560
with the the ability

1197
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:35,359
to do photographs models uh video

1198
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,720
special effects

1199
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,359
i have heard this argument from from you

1200
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:41,680
and what i will say is this

1201
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,079
is that from all that i have observed of

1202
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:47,760
this man he is an incredibly intelligent

1203
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,319
and resourceful man

1204
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,640
yeah but why don't some of the people in

1205
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:54,160
the audience i'm just saying and it's

1206
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,760
it's within the realm of of possibility

1207
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,000
that he has the human potential to do

1208
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,640
these things while he's also raising a

1209
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,880
family working as a night watchman

1210
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,119
building literally building walls and

1211
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,520
sidewalks in his property trying to pull

1212
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,280
together people to help him disseminate

1213
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,359
the material going on the alleged

1214
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,880
context

1215
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,480
he was too busy

1216
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,480
i get it oh my god no but it isn't even

1217
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,880
just too busy you look i've been there

1218
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,640
20 times i've been through every nook

1219
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,720
and cranny on that property nobody there

1220
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:26,960
is sitting around making sophisticated

1221
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,599
little models they've got tractors and

1222
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,599
and shears and

1223
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,359
they they're you know they are people

1224
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:36,160
that work on the land unlike farmers

1225
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,319
sure yeah you know maybe like i think

1226
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:40,800
you build your deck in your house they

1227
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,280
build they take care of they maintain

1228
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,599
they're swiss they do it like watches

1229
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,359
and sure you can say well then billy

1230
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,680
myers no no you're gonna

1231
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:51,760
you've got to do a lot of look that's

1232
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:54,480
why joe's article is so powerful it's

1233
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,599
means it's motive and it's opportunity

1234
00:46:03,670 --> 00:45:58,800
the means

1235
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,680
there the motive what's the promise

1236
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,720
there's a guy who's gonna dodge death of

1237
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,960
almost a couple dozen times who doesn't

1238
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,040
go in the world who doesn't make deals

1239
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,280
with with film companies who doesn't

1240
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,839
start doing special effects for anybody

1241
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,440
well he made a deal he made a deal with

1242
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:18,960
at least one didn't he did do the

1243
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,280
wendell stevens documentary

1244
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:23,599
but that was a documentary he didn't go

1245
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:26,240
he had three different offers like mgm i

1246
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,280
think maybe

1247
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,880
capital or somebody else there were two

1248
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,800
and that operates for films that does

1249
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,560
bring me to that does bring me to a

1250
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,920
point that i think is very important

1251
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,839
that i i just it's a it's the ugly

1252
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,160
elephant in the room to me and i want to

1253
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,079
i just want to say it

1254
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:41,680
a lot of times i've heard you or other

1255
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,640
people

1256
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,640
uh mention that wendell stevens

1257
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,880
documentary when citing you know all

1258
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,119
this kind of proof or evidence but i

1259
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,440
mean it's it's an absolute

1260
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,920
verifiable fact that wendell stevens was

1261
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,599
a convicted

1262
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,040
child

1263
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,640
pedophile

1264
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:59,520
so

1265
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,000
do we know that wendell stevens was a

1266
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,240
pedophile or that he was convicted or do

1267
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,720
we know we know that he was convicted of

1268
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:09,359
a child related sexual offense let's

1269
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:10,800
just leave it at that

1270
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,040
and i have

1271
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,359
i'm going to say six i want to be very

1272
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,400
clear i mean i don't have the ex listen

1273
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,160
uh i have

1274
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,280
i would say four or more sources who

1275
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:25,119
told me that

1276
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,079
who know have known him for a long time

1277
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,319
previous to his death that he always had

1278
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,960
a problem with that he always had a

1279
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,880
problem with that but my point is let's

1280
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,720
just cut to the chase

1281
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,480
what i'm saying is that

1282
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,319
people citing people citing wendell

1283
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,480
steve no it's not it's there's a public

1284
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:44,800
records that he's a convicted pedophile

1285
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,079
i have some hearsay too from meyer from

1286
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,079
lee and brit elders who were can i just

1287
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,720
make the point the point is that i hear

1288
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,319
you and other people talk about this

1289
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,559
wendell stevens documentary or wendell

1290
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,400
stevens investigation like he's some

1291
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,720
kind of person that we should trust

1292
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:03,040
or believe in and that's what i have a

1293
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,240
problem with

1294
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,400
people citing that documentary and

1295
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,800
saying well there's the proof you know

1296
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:11,200
stevens thought that it was a real case

1297
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,559
but wendell's

1298
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,400
this is where you honestly you've got to

1299
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,480
upgrade something one of the articles

1300
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,640
that we have on the line i told you that

1301
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:21,200
we quote people who are independent

1302
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:25,119
connected with things like usgs jpl um

1303
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:28,319
ibm mcdonald douglas they took the

1304
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,440
evidence at the request of meijer to

1305
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,240
be analyzed not by wendell stevens and

1306
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:37,280
not by the clowns in the ufo world but

1307
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,000
by

1308
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,400
reputable laboratories and independent

1309
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,640
experts yes and i've heard you claim you

1310
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:44,720
you know there's a title to one of your

1311
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,160
posts or something about nasa and proof

1312
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:50,559
that billy nasa agrees or something like

1313
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,520
this that billy myers case is genuine

1314
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:55,599
yeah you want to explain that one to me

1315
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,119
because here's michael i i have i have

1316
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,319
family and i have some contacts and i i

1317
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:03,760
don't believe that that's an accurate

1318
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,400
statement at all okay so let me give you

1319
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,040
a a few little things about that

1320
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,920
nasa has con you know consistently you

1321
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,520
know made announcements about new

1322
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:15,119
discoveries right can we agree on that

1323
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,640
part yes absolutely scientifically

1324
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,000
discovered okay

1325
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,400
i have on several occasions and along

1326
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:21,760
with other people

1327
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,800
um had the experience to find that those

1328
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:27,280
were not really new discoveries at all

1329
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,319
that billy meyer had verifiably in

1330
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,800
copyrighted books and documents

1331
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,520
published that information this is where

1332
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,440
we move it to what i like to call the

1333
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:39,119
higher standard proof let me give you a

1334
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,559
story about something happened about two

1335
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,720
months ago maybe a little more

1336
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:44,400
my girlfriend and i we went up to the

1337
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,240
usgs here in flagstaff and we went to

1338
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,240
them specifically because

1339
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:52,880
there is the whole mars rover thing

1340
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,839
there's a lot of that uh research being

1341
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,000
done and new research on mars that's

1342
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,319
being conducted out of flagstaff right

1343
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,000
here where we also have the lowell

1344
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,240
observatory and i took an impromptu

1345
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:06,480
meeting with a very nice guy who was

1346
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,240
kind enough to step away from his work

1347
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,240
with no notice simply because i showed

1348
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,400
up and said i want to talk to him and he

1349
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,720
came out and his name is ken hirkenhoff

1350
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,720
and he's heading up

1351
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,440
this mars rover whole thing i said don't

1352
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,880
say ken

1353
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,200
right here in my hands i've got a few

1354
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,280
papers of things that i published up for

1355
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,880
you and i'm also going to send them to

1356
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,079
you in email

1357
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:30,400
and they are about specific information

1358
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,440
on mars

1359
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,000
that you guys now know

1360
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,000
but that were published before you ever

1361
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:39,119
discovered them and he looks at me

1362
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,040
and i opened up the photo book a little

1363
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:42,880
briefly and he's really not too

1364
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,839
interested he doesn't want to see these

1365
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,440
photos i said fine

1366
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,119
and i said i want you to take a look at

1367
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,960
this stuff and send me an email so he

1368
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,880
sends me an email and all this is on you

1369
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,160
know i'll send you links to all these

1370
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:54,240
articles so he sends me an email and he

1371
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,440
says well maybe he's a good guesser

1372
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,240
and i said i don't think that explains

1373
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,800
all of these things about mars that have

1374
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,040
more information in them

1375
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,200
about the details there than nasa's

1376
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:09,680
published yet and he says well um i've

1377
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,079
never heard about lightning on mars and

1378
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:14,800
so i went online and i looked up nasa

1379
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,680
discovers lightning on mars 2009. of

1380
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,839
course meyer had published it 20 some

1381
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,280
years earlier

1382
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,599
and here's one that happened

1383
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,000
six years ago seven years ago i'm in las

1384
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,280
vegas and all things i am at a mufon

1385
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:31,280
event they gave me a table there while

1386
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:32,640
they're showing one of my films and i'm

1387
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:34,160
not they're lecturing they're showing

1388
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,680
silent revolution of truth but they give

1389
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,599
me a table and i've got it down the guy

1390
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,040
walks up and you've probably heard the

1391
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,280
story you can stop me anytime crush the

1392
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:43,119
older guy and he says shaking his head

1393
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,720
left to right i said you know can i help

1394
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,119
you he said yeah i'm interested in ufos

1395
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,040
but i think the meyer the spire thing is

1396
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:50,880
a hoax i said really i said what do you

1397
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,319
do i'm a retired judge i said okay so

1398
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:56,559
you you're a judge can i step into your

1399
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:57,520
courtroom

1400
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,720
certainly

1401
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,800
guy was cool didn't bat an eyelash he

1402
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,640
knew i wanna i wanna

1403
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,800
confront him step right in how can i

1404
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,040
help you i said you know that nasa says

1405
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:08,880
that they discovered that the reason

1406
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,920
that the surface of the planet mercury

1407
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,480
is contracting is because of the metal

1408
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:16,480
core they discovered that just a few

1409
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,599
years ago i said if i tell you that they

1410
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:21,040
didn't discover it but my friend in

1411
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,400
switzerland did would i have to prove

1412
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:23,680
that to you he said of course you have

1413
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,800
to prove it

1414
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,319
so i reached over and i got a book

1415
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,720
copyright date and that was like 80

1416
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,640
something or other and i scrolled

1417
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:32,960
through to the uh some conversations

1418
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:36,480
from 1976 and i said where this man

1419
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,440
billy here billy myers asks this alleged

1420
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,680
extraterrestrial woman what's the reason

1421
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,359
for the contraction of the surface of

1422
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,839
the planet mercury and she says well

1423
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,000
that's easy it's really due to the fact

1424
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:49,760
that the middle core of the planet i

1425
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,720
said your honor in your courtroom

1426
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,480
who prevails

1427
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,319
and it took him about a half a second to

1428
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:59,119
say two things one was you do and the

1429
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:00,640
rest was how much are all these things

1430
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:03,040
here now let me explain something to you

1431
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:04,720
and to your audience

1432
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:08,559
copyrights are the ironclad friggin

1433
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:11,760
internationally recognized standard of

1434
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,319
proof of first publication they don't

1435
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,559
mean that what's copyrighted is true it

1436
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:18,720
just means there it is whether it's a

1437
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:19,599
song

1438
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,040
a movie script or in this case a book

1439
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:26,160
with transcripts between an earth man

1440
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,839
and an alleged extraterrestrial a guy

1441
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,440
could make it up himself how does he

1442
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,119
know that before it's discovered what

1443
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:34,079
about in 1978 of october when billy

1444
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,640
meyer publishes information on io being

1445
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:40,880
the most volcanically active body in the

1446
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,599
solar system explains how high the

1447
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,160
ejecta goes what it's composed of and

1448
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,880
why that ejector which does not escape

1449
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,720
the gravitational pull of that moon

1450
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,520
falls back onto it and creates a smooth

1451
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:55,440
unusually smooth surface for a

1452
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,750
well michael we need to take a break for

1453
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:03,680
station identification and a few words

1454
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,040
from our sponsors

1455
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,440
we'll be right back folks we are back

1456
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:09,839
with my guest michael horn us media

1457
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,720
representative for billy meyer let's get

1458
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,720
on with some questions

1459
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,880
billy meyer has made some prophetic

1460
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,720
predictions that can be proven by

1461
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:20,720
copyrights

1462
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:22,160
that are accurate

1463
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:26,000
that but here's the problem that i have

1464
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:27,520
with that i've looked at some of that

1465
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,960
evidence

1466
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,440
in in some detail and i agree with you

1467
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:33,520
that it appears that he has made

1468
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,559
predictions and copyrighted them before

1469
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:39,040
those things were known

1470
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,599
but the problem that i have with this

1471
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,440
being used as here's proof that billy

1472
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,359
meyer is genuine

1473
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,200
is the same problem that i have with

1474
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:49,760
edgar casey predictions

1475
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,160
or or some other psychics because the

1476
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:54,640
volume of what they've written and

1477
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,799
published is so

1478
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:58,480
ridiculously

1479
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,599
large

1480
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,000
that yeah i believe that if you write

1481
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,319
enough material down

1482
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:06,720
something's gonna hit and like for

1483
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,760
example

1484
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:09,599
the question that i have is

1485
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,200
the bible for example is is about 785

1486
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,799
000 words

1487
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,720
how many words

1488
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,920
how much

1489
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,400
has billy meyer published because you're

1490
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,400
saying okay great we have i don't know

1491
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:24,319
what did you just cite like six or seven

1492
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,680
examples but no what is this what is the

1493
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,240
what is the amount of the volume of

1494
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:32,079
material that he has written in

1495
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,160
predictions okay we have only had about

1496
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,400
maybe five thousand of the forty five

1497
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:40,640
thousand pages to work with in english

1498
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:43,839
we have called 250 error-free examples

1499
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,400
of specific detailed information

1500
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,640
prophetically accurate on every planet

1501
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,400
in the solar system on black hole speed

1502
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,079
of light speed of gravity things that

1503
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:55,040
are in biology in archaeology

1504
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:56,880
anthropology now here's where i've got

1505
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:59,359
to call you up short you see you keep on

1506
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:01,520
trying to jump to something without

1507
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,680
getting grasping something no michael

1508
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:06,000
i'm asking you i'm asking you questions

1509
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,079
and i'm and i'm expressing my i'm

1510
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,640
expressing my doubts because

1511
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,480
because i'm asking you to address my

1512
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,400
doubts that's all i'm doing

1513
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,000
hey yeah great i think you're doing a

1514
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,960
good job explaining this to me

1515
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,400
i'm going to do even better because what

1516
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,160
i'm going to do if you'd like i'm going

1517
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,000
to bring up let's just say some of the

1518
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:27,200
specific mars information just one or

1519
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,400
two things

1520
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,200
and and then i'll uh how did he know

1521
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,440
okay and just just an aside you're

1522
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,440
saying that you had access to 5 000

1523
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,200
pages of material

1524
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:39,280
okay and and just so that my listeners

1525
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,160
can get an idea the bible is 1200 pages

1526
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,119
so you're talking about five bibles full

1527
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,440
of prophetic predictions

1528
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,280
yeah um

1529
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,280
i'm saying and you've got you've got how

1530
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,520
many that have come true out of that

1531
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:54,720
five

1532
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,720
material that meyer has written all

1533
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,400
right i'm trying to explain it to you

1534
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,640
okay we have not found

1535
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:03,839
any

1536
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,599
erroneous

1537
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,640
scientific information scientific not

1538
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:10,960
theoretical not uh someday a bird will

1539
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:13,359
fly between two towers we're talking

1540
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,480
about scientific information for let me

1541
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,720
give you some of it and then you can try

1542
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,000
to figure out because yes i'm going to

1543
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,160
tell you again and your listeners he's

1544
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:24,880
far ahead of nasa of course because his

1545
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,319
in from how is it that in 2000 and oh my

1546
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,079
gosh all right here we go i'm going to

1547
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,920
give you some of this

1548
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,000
i'll even give you the verbatim and on a

1549
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:36,559
few and then people can look this up

1550
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:39,359
and billy says while visiting mars

1551
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,880
explained to me that mars had larger

1552
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,200
amounts of water led into its rivers

1553
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:45,520
which are now partially filled in by

1554
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,040
dust and volcanic ash than what was ever

1555
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:51,359
in addition uh

1556
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,559
oh well that is uh was ever the case

1557
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,799
with the largest rivers on earth in

1558
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,880
addition he talked about the

1559
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,200
thousand-fold more water than what is

1560
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,599
found on the largest rivers on earth it

1561
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,520
seems to be somewhat fantastic to me

1562
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:07,040
which is why i think i misheard it

1563
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,400
didn't listen properly

1564
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,319
the the alleged quetzal says you

1565
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:12,079
shouldn't a doubt you shouldn't doubt

1566
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,000
your attention because you properly

1567
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,839
understood everything that explained to

1568
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,680
you the information about the enormous

1569
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,599
quantities of water which were led into

1570
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,280
the martian rivers corresponds to the

1571
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,760
facts as well as the watercourses that

1572
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,240
are partially filled in by sand dust and

1573
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,240
volcanic ash which are generally called

1574
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,240
canals on earth but which were truly

1575
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,640
enormous rivers that were dozens and

1576
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,720
even almost a hundred kilometers in

1577
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,480
diameter and there were thousands of

1578
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:38,799
kilometers in length now that was

1579
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:41,400
published by meyer june 11th

1580
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:45,760
1986 33 years ago there's another two

1581
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,079
specific things about that and then in

1582
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,400
the same in 1987

1583
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:51,839
quetzal also

1584
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:52,880
you know i'm going to tell you more here

1585
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:54,799
about water at the south pole

1586
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:57,520
specifically south pole waters on mars

1587
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,079
and all this and then also quetzal tells

1588
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,359
them the following um there was several

1589
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,799
this will be the case in several times

1590
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,799
in the coming reference to water namely

1591
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:08,880
that large occurrences of water in the

1592
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:11,520
form of ice and snow can be proven by

1593
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,760
probes on mars but the final certainty

1594
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,359
will first be attained at the beginning

1595
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:17,680
of the third millennium and to be sure

1596
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,160
by a mars probe that will be called 2001

1597
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:24,720
mars odyssey as our look into the future

1598
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:27,839
has revealed now of course that did

1599
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:30,839
happen but here's our discoveries in

1600
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:33,760
2001. scientists may have discovered the

1601
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:35,760
largest flood channels in the solar

1602
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:38,559
system on mars or a system of gigantic

1603
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,359
ancient valleys some as much as 200

1604
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:43,599
kilometers wide lie

1605
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,400
partially buried under a veneer of

1606
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:49,440
volcanic lava flows ash fall and

1607
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,160
wind-blown dust in mars western

1608
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,240
hemisphere the best explanations they

1609
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,400
were formed by catastrophic floods that

1610
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:58,160
at their peak potentially discharge as

1611
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:01,680
much as 50 000 times the flow of the

1612
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:04,880
amazon river okay i'll give you that he

1613
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,440
was right he was right but i can give

1614
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:09,599
you 200 more

1615
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,319
okay so 200 out of a stack of five

1616
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,040
bibles though no no no no listen you're

1617
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,119
misunderstanding something this isn't

1618
01:00:21,549 --> 01:00:19,599
billy with five thousand pages of

1619
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:21,559
so-called predictions these are

1620
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:24,480
conversations between billy and whoever

1621
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:27,760
he's these people are that cover

1622
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:30,079
they're talking about the most mundane

1623
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:31,599
things in the world but would you agree

1624
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,079
with me michael that if you have that

1625
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:36,559
much material that it would be easy to

1626
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:38,079
cherry pick

1627
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,549
most of these things aren't even

1628
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,880
presented to him as prophecies we've got

1629
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,160
a whole bunch of prophecies and

1630
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:52,000
predictions which are unfailingly

1631
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,520
fulfilling i can give you those where

1632
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,680
they're presented in prophecies what i

1633
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:57,599
just read to you well the one thing the

1634
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,079
one thing that i also question

1635
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,000
with some of this stuff is

1636
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,200
these these uh super intelligent beings

1637
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:07,359
which are far in advance of us

1638
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,470
so they're giving billy meyer very

1639
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:17,040
specific information about

1640
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:19,520
some of the planets in our solar system

1641
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:22,000
which to me it doesn't seem like useful

1642
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:23,599
information

1643
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:24,480
really

1644
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:25,200
so

1645
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:27,200
what i what i wondered when i and i've

1646
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,799
heard you talk about all of this stuff

1647
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:30,720
and i've read a lot of this stuff but

1648
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,200
what i've often wondered is why

1649
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:35,359
can they not give us something more

1650
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:38,880
meaningful like a formula but but let me

1651
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:42,000
finish a formula to cure cancer and to

1652
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,359
follow

1653
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,119
you know there's been a challenge issued

1654
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:46,799
to corey goode who claims he talks to

1655
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:49,680
super advanced intelligent aliens that

1656
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:51,520
if you if you're truly in contact with

1657
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:52,400
them

1658
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,799
cancer and in your case i'm going to be

1659
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:58,799
selfish i'm going to be very selfish i

1660
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:01,440
have an autistic child okay so what i

1661
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,960
would ask is

1662
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:04,720
if billy meyer is in contact with these

1663
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:06,400
intelligent

1664
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,559
who by the way seem to really care about

1665
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:12,240
humanity

1666
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:15,039
i have a huge problem with my son being

1667
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:16,640
autistic

1668
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:19,039
he is non-verbal he cannot communicate

1669
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,720
he's seven years old now cannot

1670
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:22,240
communicate at all

1671
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,280
and

1672
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,200
what people need to realize about autism

1673
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,359
is it's not just the child with the

1674
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:29,760
autism that's the entire family suffers

1675
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,480
to to help him through it you know so i

1676
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,480
would be very selfish and say

1677
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:36,880
this planetary information that's great

1678
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:39,200
but can can we have something that would

1679
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:41,760
alleviate a tremendous amount of

1680
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,359
suffering imagine

1681
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:45,839
the suffering the amount of suffering

1682
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:48,319
that would be lifted if

1683
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:49,680
could come and give us a cure for

1684
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,160
childhood autism well i can give you a

1685
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,319
few answers that i'm going to give you a

1686
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:56,160
couple number one

1687
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,839
these are human beings who have gone

1688
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,359
through their own evolutionary

1689
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,520
challenges including

1690
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:03,599
terribly destructive things to them and

1691
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,640
to other

1692
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,799
people and what they've learned is that

1693
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,880
self-responsibility

1694
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:10,799
is one of the core foundational

1695
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:13,039
principles of life in this universe now

1696
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:14,000
that doesn't mean that they're

1697
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:15,920
indifferent and cold-hearted because if

1698
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:18,880
the information is true on any number of

1699
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,359
occasions they have gone so far as to

1700
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,280
impulse if you will that means to

1701
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:25,200
implant without the conscious knowledge

1702
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:28,400
of the receiver information on medical

1703
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,319
things they have published information

1704
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:32,480
even on some of the causes on there's

1705
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,880
information in this case about autism as

1706
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,640
well and we will find out where that is

1707
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:38,000
in there and you can read it some of

1708
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:39,839
these things are genetically determined

1709
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,440
and that it will be and they've also

1710
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:43,599
pointed out many times that it's the

1711
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:46,880
morons on earth who gripe about progress

1712
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,599
in the form of genetic engineering and

1713
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,520
think it's all bad because science of

1714
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:52,960
course as we know is a double-edged

1715
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:55,599
sword who who stifle

1716
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:57,359
the progress for the tremendous

1717
01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,599
discoveries that competent scientists

1718
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:01,839
and medical scientists could make to

1719
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,680
cure most of these things i'm going to

1720
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:05,520
back it up a little and you you know

1721
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:07,760
because we all have you have a very

1722
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:10,720
particular case of something highly

1723
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:12,319
serious to you and important to you and

1724
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:14,480
to many people who have children or

1725
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:17,520
relatives who have a form of autism or

1726
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:20,319
other illnesses or handicaps yes of

1727
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,880
course but what they have said to us and

1728
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:24,480
here's more about it think about the

1729
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:27,039
implications if this is true they said

1730
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:28,880
to meyer they said you know

1731
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:31,760
if the catholic church if your library

1732
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:34,960
at alexandria had not been burned and

1733
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:37,920
all of the books and all of the what you

1734
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:39,760
might call the secret sciences haven't

1735
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:42,160
been destroyed

1736
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:46,000
your world would come be composed now

1737
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:46,720
of

1738
01:04:50,750 --> 01:04:49,280
space traveling human beings for the

1739
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:50,760
past

1740
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:53,839
200 years

1741
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:55,680
you wouldn't be throwing tin cans at the

1742
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:57,760
moon you would have solved the secrets

1743
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:00,240
of actual space travel but your

1744
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:02,720
religions and your politics and the

1745
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:03,839
greed

1746
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,319
of your world is so oppressive

1747
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:08,559
we can't give certain information that

1748
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:10,960
we'd love to because your scientists

1749
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:13,200
their first application will be to

1750
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:14,880
create weapons and if that isn't clear

1751
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,839
to everybody now but i'm i'm not clear

1752
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:19,520
on how a weapon

1753
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:21,520
can be made from a cure for childhood

1754
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:22,640
autism

1755
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:24,880
yeah well and listen i know that this

1756
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:28,160
whole line of uh debate between us seems

1757
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,520
a little crazy

1758
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,839
and selfish of me but this is something

1759
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,440
that i've wondered about

1760
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:35,359
if there's really a guy that's in touch

1761
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:37,599
with these super advanced

1762
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:38,960
humanoids

1763
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:41,359
that have all of this technology

1764
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:42,880
that's a selfish thing for me to say

1765
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:45,280
well can i have one thing

1766
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,200
you want me to become a complete and

1767
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:49,920
total believer overnight no i don't want

1768
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,400
you to believe a damn thing

1769
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,640
this is not belief this is a science

1770
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:56,720
based stuff here's what i will say

1771
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:57,680
michael

1772
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:00,000
your your explanation for why they can't

1773
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,119
is is to me an excuse because here's

1774
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:05,119
the way that i reasoned through this for

1775
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:06,559
my own

1776
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:08,559
sort of analogy

1777
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:11,520
if i was very interested in a race of

1778
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:12,799
let's say

1779
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:14,799
great apes and i went there and i

1780
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:17,280
observed them and i was

1781
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,079
you know i felt a certain way towards

1782
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:22,640
them like i wanted the best for them

1783
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:25,440
and i wanted to help them and i

1784
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:28,240
started interacting with them

1785
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:30,400
and then i saw

1786
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:34,319
one of their tribe of apes in great

1787
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,440
suffering

1788
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:37,520
and i had the capability

1789
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:40,319
to alleviate that suffering in that ape

1790
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:41,920
that i have become

1791
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,400
involved with and have been trying to

1792
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,559
help for generations or for i'm not

1793
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,480
generations for decades i've been trying

1794
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:50,799
to help this group of apes i saw one

1795
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:53,920
suffering terribly i had the power to

1796
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:56,640
stop that suffering and for all my light

1797
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,640
and love

1798
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:00,559
i want to say propaganda

1799
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:03,039
i i did nothing for that ape it doesn't

1800
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:06,000
make sense i certainly i certainly would

1801
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,319
stop the suffering of that age okay

1802
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:10,559
that's very nice and i'm not as advanced

1803
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:14,240
as those beings stephen you don't know

1804
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:16,480
that all sorts of interventions to help

1805
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:19,440
humankind haven't taken place but let me

1806
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:21,920
now address it sure how about this as

1807
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:24,400
much as you and other parents siblings

1808
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,520
etc of autistic or handicapped children

1809
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,920
would like to have an answer

1810
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:32,160
completely understandable there's things

1811
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,319
i'd like answers to would you settle

1812
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:36,880
right now because you're a compassionate

1813
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:39,680
person would you settle for

1814
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:42,720
help in saving the planet from utter

1815
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,119
destruction in a specific way would you

1816
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:47,359
settle for that for a starter that we

1817
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:49,280
would like that these people would like

1818
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:52,240
to help us avoid complete and total

1819
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:53,839
destruction to the majority of our

1820
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,000
planet and that they have provided that

1821
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:58,640
information would you settle for that as

1822
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,839
a starter

1823
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:01,520
well that you know that's very good is

1824
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:03,839
there no kind of it's the only spot do

1825
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,440
you want it or not

1826
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:07,680
sure what is the what is the answer how

1827
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:10,240
do we get off this

1828
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:12,079
freight train to destruction because i

1829
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,839
agree with you on that the earth is not

1830
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:16,080
doing well a lot of that and and right

1831
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:17,040
now

1832
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:18,719
a lot as i said a lot of it is

1833
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,799
unstoppable all the environmentalists

1834
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:22,880
with all their good intentions uh their

1835
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:24,960
efforts now amount to a

1836
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:27,279
an ant hill and they will because the

1837
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:29,359
actual progression of the death of the

1838
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:31,520
cities to atmospheric pollution to

1839
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,520
environmental pollution to the it's

1840
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:35,839
monumental and it isn't touched on by

1841
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:37,040
any of these

1842
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,199
organizations which have a donate button

1843
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,520
as if giving money to any of these

1844
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,359
phonies is going to make a dent in that

1845
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:45,359
but let me give you the good news

1846
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,040
something you could do

1847
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,120
now bear with me and i'm going to take

1848
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,440
you through it step by step but not too

1849
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,199
too complicated

1850
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:55,440
in 1981

1851
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,319
billy meyer received some information

1852
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:00,640
and he began to publish it

1853
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:04,000
and what was that information about

1854
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:09,749
it was about an object heading

1855
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:12,319
towards the earth

1856
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:16,799
and that

1857
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:20,400
object they called the red meteor and

1858
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:22,640
billy asked them what are you talking

1859
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:25,359
about and they said there is an object

1860
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:27,759
coming from the depths of space we call

1861
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:31,440
it the red meteor on either april 13

1862
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,040
2029

1863
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,040
or april 13

1864
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:37,040
2036

1865
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,920
it will slam into your earth

1866
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:41,040
unless

1867
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,679
the scientists of your world come

1868
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:45,920
together they haven't discovered it yet

1869
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,120
they will

1870
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:49,199
and when they discover it they must get

1871
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:52,719
immediately on to a concerted effort

1872
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:55,040
to deflect this object wait and then

1873
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:56,560
just to be clear you said it was it's

1874
01:10:02,870 --> 01:09:59,360
going to hit when is this going to hit

1875
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:02,880
april 13th 2020

1876
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,880
or april 13 2036

1877
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,159
they said

1878
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:09,840
there are different means that

1879
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,679
scientists will think of

1880
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:14,000
in order to deal with it but we don't

1881
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,239
recommend one of the things which would

1882
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:18,239
be to blow it up because it will simply

1883
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:21,840
rain down then on the earth a solar sail

1884
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:24,320
is not the best idea either our

1885
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:27,280
recommendation you don't have to do it

1886
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:29,120
our recommendation

1887
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:32,239
is that they detonate a nuclear charge

1888
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:34,400
at a particular point in the proper

1889
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:43,110
okay now

1890
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:46,239
that was in 1981.

1891
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:49,199
in 2004

1892
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:51,199
nasa

1893
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,640
discovered

1894
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,960
asteroid apophis

1895
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,640
and they said it's

1896
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:58,480
well it's probably going to pass by the

1897
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:00,800
earth it's harmless it'll pass by the

1898
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:02,320
earth either

1899
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:08,159
april 13th 2029 or april 13th 2036.

1900
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,840
oh okay and then

1901
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,840
after a while a funny thing happened

1902
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:13,360
they minimized that there was any

1903
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:14,800
concern about it

1904
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,400
something that's going to slam into the

1905
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:18,320
and by the way the player and told meyer

1906
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:19,920
exactly where it will hit if it isn't

1907
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:21,120
deflected but we'll get to that in a

1908
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:22,239
minute

1909
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:23,199
but

1910
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:25,120
nasa went

1911
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:26,960
i don't know a year or so after their

1912
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:29,360
discovery of it and they changed their

1913
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:31,040
size estimate

1914
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:38,640
25 meters of what billy meyer was told

1915
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:40,480
now we can keep on doing it i don't know

1916
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,920
about this and i don't know

1917
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:43,040
the bible

1918
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,480
look

1919
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,880
if we can't think straight

1920
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,880
we probably deserve for that thing to

1921
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,800
slam in here

1922
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:51,840
now

1923
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,719
that is information we were given

1924
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:56,640
23 years before

1925
01:12:01,830 --> 01:11:59,840
absolutely before nasa officially

1926
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,840
discovered it nasa's been dragging their

1927
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,520
feet shortly after we published

1928
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:05,440
information and i had it personally at

1929
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:08,719
my expense illustrated and translated

1930
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,120
into six different languages and it's in

1931
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,120
comic book form so that it's simple

1932
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:15,199
enough even for a nasa scientist to

1933
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,719
understand

1934
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:19,280
and i'm tired of hearing crap from nasa

1935
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:21,040
and seti and all these people that are

1936
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:22,640
just working their paychecks and all the

1937
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,280
rest of it when something that really is

1938
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:27,679
a threat oh but billy meyer we can't

1939
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,840
have that we can't have some guy in

1940
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:31,679
switzerland

1941
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,159
giving us information because after all

1942
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:36,960
he's not the freaking american who knows

1943
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:39,760
every goddamn thing pardon me

1944
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:42,640
now this is real information and i this

1945
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:45,840
is one of 250 things but it hasn't hit

1946
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:48,320
yet it's just nasa corroborated it and

1947
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,400
so when i say nasa proves that this is

1948
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:52,880
real i mean the time and time and time

1949
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,320
again nasa jpl usgs and

1950
01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:59,199
any you name it they're publishing new

1951
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:02,080
discoveries that we all i read them i'll

1952
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:05,120
give you some real direct experience in

1953
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,719
1988.

1954
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,640
i opened up a local newspaper in los

1955
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:10,800
angeles and i read a new discovery from

1956
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:12,960
lawrence livermore national westminster

1957
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:15,520
just just just to remind my listeners

1958
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,159
that this whole this whole thing was

1959
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:20,239
really from the question

1960
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:21,760
you've made statements that nasa

1961
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:24,480
confirmed that the that the

1962
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,199
case of billy meyer case is real

1963
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:29,760
right but the problem is is no

1964
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:31,840
no one from nasa came out and said yes

1965
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:34,800
the billy meyer case is real

1966
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:37,040
you're just what you're saying is that

1967
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:39,760
he made prophecies about things that

1968
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:41,760
nasa later discovered that's not the

1969
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:44,000
same thing no he didn't make prop you

1970
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,719
see i love using the term scientifically

1971
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:48,719
accurate prophetically accurate he

1972
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:51,199
published information for warning of

1973
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,679
specific things that nasa then later

1974
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,520
specifically discovers now i've got a

1975
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,600
great idea here since you say nasa

1976
01:14:02,630 --> 01:13:59,760
didn't corroborate okay you know people

1977
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:02,640
in nasa get them to go on the record

1978
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:04,640
i was just interviewed by the you

1979
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:06,640
realize that you realize the difficulty

1980
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:08,719
in getting somebody from nasa to go on

1981
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,760
the record on this case why you

1982
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:13,920
you want to i agree with you i think

1983
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,520
someone should be brave and if they're

1984
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,600
going to say this is fake we don't

1985
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:19,600
believe in any of this come on out and

1986
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,320
say it if they i'll be glad to debate

1987
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:24,719
any and uh take on six of their top

1988
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:27,199
scientists on on a public stage with at

1989
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:29,920
a skeptic's convention and i'll present

1990
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,760
the meyer material and they can tell me

1991
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:33,840
why it's not real can i get to can i get

1992
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:35,679
to one of the other really big things

1993
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,719
which is

1994
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,880
the past destruction of the planet is

1995
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:40,880
there something bigger than that i mean

1996
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:43,040
well no i mean i'm one of the one of the

1997
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,120
points of billy meyer's story that has

1998
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:47,120
been debated so much and that is the

1999
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,560
picture of

2000
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:51,040
the pleiadian that turned out to be a

2001
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:54,080
dancer on a television show

2002
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,320
and i saw that you guys had a video of

2003
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,400
that dancer who's kind of a believer in

2004
01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:00,480
billy my but but here's the question

2005
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:01,920
that i have i have heard various

2006
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:04,080
explanations and i wanted some clarity

2007
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:04,800
on

2008
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,440
this billy meyer takes a picture says

2009
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:09,679
that it's a pleiadian woman and then

2010
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:12,159
other people later said no that's a dean

2011
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:14,239
martin dancer and here's the here's the

2012
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:17,040
girl and then i've heard i've heard

2013
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:18,719
varying explanations for why this

2014
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,600
happened from from your side let's say

2015
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:23,440
your side

2016
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:25,120
and i want to be clear that's why i'm

2017
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,800
just asking the question

2018
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,320
because i thought i've heard that i

2019
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,320
thought i've heard though

2020
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,320
let me finish i thought i heard

2021
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:34,480
an explanation that sort of the men in

2022
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,840
black came and took the real picture and

2023
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:39,679
put in a picture of the dancer to

2024
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:42,480
discredit billy meyer well you can you

2025
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,640
can actually figure it out yourself okay

2026
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:46,239
what others have said but others have

2027
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:49,280
said no that's he faked a picture of an

2028
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,840
alien but yeah so that's what i want to

2029
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:53,679
i just want to discuss this and see

2030
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,640
where is your what exactly how do we get

2031
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,560
to it okay sure we'll get to it because

2032
01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:00,480
i know you've got limited time i i want

2033
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,480
to try and address 50 questions you've

2034
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:04,320
got so i'm going to address this one

2035
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:08,239
right away it goes like this in 1975

2036
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,400
meyer was on again according to the

2037
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:12,000
information case he's on a craft these

2038
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:14,640
people these two non-pleiadian women

2039
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:16,159
they were from another race but their

2040
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:18,400
humans were there he

2041
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:21,280
asked the blonde you're talking about is

2042
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:23,120
said to have been his second teacher

2043
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:26,159
starting from 16 on to 27 and he asks if

2044
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:27,440
he can take their picture and they said

2045
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,080
yes of course and then

2046
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:32,080
and i'll tell you how i proved this hold

2047
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:36,080
on but then uh he says to pata hey uh

2048
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:37,600
that's really neat and potent says well

2049
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:39,920
that's not all of it on earth there are

2050
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,159
two women who are singers and dancers in

2051
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:44,800
show business on earth who are basically

2052
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,560
doubles for these two people he says

2053
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:48,080
let's go i would take me there i want to

2054
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:49,679
say they said

2055
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,480
no it's not a good idea there for

2056
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:54,159
certain reasons we're going to stay away

2057
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:57,360
from that 13 years later

2058
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:00,239
and i read this by the way in 1986 and

2059
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:02,560
it's still in published documents so

2060
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:03,679
nobody can

2061
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:05,840
jiggle around that 13 years later

2062
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,520
somebody says oh my gosh those are the

2063
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:09,840
dean martin dancers then you have the

2064
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,920
photos come out which billy throws in

2065
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:13,920
shoe boxes and he puts them in his album

2066
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:15,040
and they publish him well he doesn't pay

2067
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,880
a lot of attention but then when you

2068
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:18,880
look at the photos and i have it linked

2069
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,120
online everybody can go

2070
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:23,760
what do you know the photo it's supposed

2071
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:26,320
to be of ask it and the one in the dean

2072
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,239
martin supposed thing where they're

2073
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:30,800
trying to got you on billy well they're

2074
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:32,800
two different faces and what else do you

2075
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:35,679
know it wasn't taken from a tv screen

2076
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,080
there's no cathode ray tube lines there

2077
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:40,159
well how did he do it well it would mean

2078
01:17:42,830 --> 01:17:41,920
that billy meyer in

2079
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:42,840
what

2080
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:45,840
1970 something when the dean martin show

2081
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:46,719
is

2082
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:49,360
broadcast or rebroadcast on a videotape

2083
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:51,920
at some point or live at some point in

2084
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,080
switzerland he's going to get his camera

2085
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:56,400
with a viewfinder stuck at infinity put

2086
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:58,400
it up in front of his tv set take a

2087
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,400
photograph that not only has no cathode

2088
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,560
ray tubes in it but when you examine it

2089
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:04,640
shows that there's a double image

2090
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:07,760
exposure where a man's collar has been

2091
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,560
moved over the other woman's neck that

2092
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,400
would require editing

2093
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:14,480
from a video to

2094
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:16,000
stephen

2095
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,360
do the research before we jump into

2096
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:22,320
castigating this man who's put his damn

2097
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:24,239
life on the line for the morons in this

2098
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:26,560
planet who so far don't even want to

2099
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:29,280
know that yes this object coming towards

2100
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:32,400
the earth is going to set back life on

2101
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,080
earth if our

2102
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,400
come on can we can we just talk about

2103
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:38,400
one other photo i i appreciate your

2104
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:41,280
explanation and i listen i i want to

2105
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:43,760
just be clear on it before i go

2106
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:46,239
dive in again and try to and try to make

2107
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:47,840
a determination on that whole

2108
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:49,679
controversy with that photo and this

2109
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:51,600
dancer and whether it's real or whether

2110
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:52,640
it's fake

2111
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,560
the next photo that i've always had a

2112
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:56,880
huge problem with is this time travel

2113
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:58,719
photo of

2114
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:01,120
i guess it's a pterodactyl and you're

2115
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:03,280
going to tell me that's a genuine photo

2116
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:05,679
okay billy meyer took when he was time

2117
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:11,590
okay i'm gonna

2118
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,000
do this with that no

2119
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,480
that is not one of his photos what

2120
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:18,719
happened is there had been at the time

2121
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:20,080
that he published photos that had

2122
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:22,159
already been quite a few attempts in his

2123
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:23,280
life

2124
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:25,840
a an intelligent person in the

2125
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:28,719
intelligence industry is going to say

2126
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:31,280
if we can't

2127
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:34,080
kill this guy let's assassinate his

2128
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:35,679
character let's

2129
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,640
se put in photos that aren't his and

2130
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:40,719
we'll start the whole thing okay so this

2131
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:42,800
is the this is the men in black kind of

2132
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:45,120
explanation that i think is convenient

2133
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:46,880
but i will follow you down that road

2134
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,400
let's let's hear about it let's hear

2135
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:50,400
about i listen do i believe that the

2136
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:52,159
government could do things like that

2137
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:58,630
in real life things get messy a man who

2138
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:00,640
lives in rural switzerland with no

2139
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:02,560
technology to speak of

2140
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:05,120
and we'll go back to joe tisc's analysis

2141
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:09,040
who's published absolutely iron-clad

2142
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:10,639
photos of extraterrestrial questions

2143
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,840
just to be clear you're saying the

2144
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:13,600
pterodactyl just to be clear you're

2145
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:15,360
saying that the terrorist photo is not

2146
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:17,120
his michael just to be clear you're

2147
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:18,719
saying that the pterodactyl photo the

2148
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:20,480
time travel photo he didn't take that

2149
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:25,910
meyer

2150
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:29,440
long ago actually about 75 or 78

2151
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,239
disavowed all the photos that are called

2152
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:34,560
the space photos the ask it nearer the

2153
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:37,360
tech because they said while meyer took

2154
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:40,880
1200 or 1800 photos on his trips with

2155
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:42,159
them

2156
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,000
weren't were manipulated and sent back

2157
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:48,400
by intelligence services where they got

2158
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,080
in and doctored photos or doctored

2159
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:52,080
photos with the help of people who could

2160
01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:54,320
get to them you have to understand meyer

2161
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,600
took photos

2162
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,280
that he never could develop he had to

2163
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:59,440
take everything to a lab you've got to

2164
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,600
do your real research and not just you

2165
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:03,280
know if you're going to throw this stuff

2166
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:04,800
then you're going to have a few thousand

2167
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:07,120
pages to read and reason through

2168
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,960
this is not a ufo case this is something

2169
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:12,960
that goes far beyond it that has been

2170
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:16,080
attacked and suppressed this is not the

2171
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:17,040
meijer

2172
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:20,480
dinosaur pterodactyl ascet photo case

2173
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,199
okay

2174
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:23,280
can i just go can i just ask about one

2175
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:25,040
other photo because i want to i want the

2176
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:27,120
same question is this a photo that billy

2177
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:29,280
meyer took and claims is real and that

2178
01:21:32,629 --> 01:21:31,040
is the laser gun

2179
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:32,639
photo yes

2180
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,840
yes

2181
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:35,520
and what do you say about the person

2182
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:37,760
that found almost the exact

2183
01:21:42,629 --> 01:21:40,800
laser gun toy made around the time the

2184
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:42,639
photograph was taken

2185
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,560
you'd think so do you where did you get

2186
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:46,239
that from because i'm going to tell you

2187
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:47,679
that that isn't true

2188
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,199
and i'm going to tell you hold on i'm

2189
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:51,360
going to find it here for you

2190
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:54,080
i think we might have a little something

2191
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:56,080
where that can be found yes i have a

2192
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:57,520
site that i can definitely source i

2193
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:59,040
don't have it in front of me so i

2194
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:00,960
apologize

2195
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:02,639
listen i appreciate you going through i

2196
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:05,040
only have a few just those few photos

2197
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,800
that i really had specific questions i'd

2198
01:22:10,629 --> 01:22:08,719
like to ask you about the wedding cake

2199
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,639
thing too because that one i think is

2200
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,080
ridiculous

2201
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,960
we'll go back to that but let's do this

2202
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,880
and this is a little long but you asked

2203
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:18,320
for it and these people are saying it's

2204
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,280
a lie and all that so bear with me and

2205
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:23,520
uh this is from wendell stevens his

2206
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,600
books whatever you think of him he's a

2207
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:27,120
child molester you're going to say the

2208
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:30,320
child molester as a source hold on

2209
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:32,639
this is a man who along with two other

2210
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:34,480
michael if the best source you have is a

2211
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,719
child molester to defend your position

2212
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:38,639
i'll let you use them i just want to be

2213
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:40,239
clear in that you're citing a child

2214
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,360
molester as a source

2215
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,840
hey if you knew the truth about

2216
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,440
everybody

2217
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:49,679
did you i hope you never voted for bill

2218
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,120
clinton would you agree with me that a

2219
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:53,520
child molester cannot be trusted

2220
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,280
can you say can we agree on that let's

2221
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:57,199
get some common ground here

2222
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:58,960
you're citing a child molester as a

2223
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:01,440
source for proof i don't trust job

2224
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,480
molesters stephen i'm an investigator

2225
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:06,639
and i'm a research scientist and pardon

2226
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:08,560
me if you want to run [\h__\h] arguments

2227
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:10,719
at me i'm just telling you what i feel

2228
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:11,920
if you want to go ahead with your

2229
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:13,760
argument using a child molester as a

2230
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:15,760
source you can go ahead and do that i'm

2231
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:17,120
just telling you what i feel you can go

2232
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,590
then talk about the laser clinton let's

2233
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:27,600
talk about it but i'm just saying you

2234
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:29,920
you know following please

2235
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:31,920
just hold that stuff

2236
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,960
because

2237
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:35,040
it's really unprofessional

2238
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,239
okay michael i will i will i will agree

2239
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,560
that i will not i won't go into that

2240
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,639
territory anymore you can talk about him

2241
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:44,320
any and use him as a source whatever you

2242
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:46,239
want to do i'm i just want to be clear

2243
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:48,639
in how i feel about him and and and

2244
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,440
people citing him as a source we're good

2245
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:53,199
let's go take a breath let's both take a

2246
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:55,440
breath and step back remember that we're

2247
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:57,520
trying to find common ground and i'm i'm

2248
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,159
only asking you questions professional

2249
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:02,880
okay well i apologize do not leave

2250
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:04,960
children with him i don't know if the

2251
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:06,800
guy down the street doing people's taxes

2252
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:09,440
or the guy in the fixing cars is a child

2253
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:11,120
mostly and there's plenty of them that

2254
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:12,800
get outed and they're people in all

2255
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:15,040
walks of life did the guy fix the damn

2256
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,120
car did he do the taxes now that doesn't

2257
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:18,880
mean i want to go to him now listen to

2258
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,520
what was said in this investigation by

2259
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:23,760
an investigator when i first saw these

2260
01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:26,080
child molesting investigator yes

2261
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:28,239
are you going to keep doing that no okay

2262
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,520
go ahead

2263
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:30,960
no i'm not afraid of what you want to

2264
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:34,000
know something about real life is messy

2265
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,120
stephen

2266
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:37,520
real life is messy but we choose we

2267
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:40,159
choose what sources to trust we choose

2268
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:42,159
we both have the we both have the right

2269
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:44,080
to choose which sources we trust that's

2270
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,760
awesome why don't you listen to the

2271
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,360
evidence i will listen to you really

2272
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:49,920
sincere and you go back and you tell me

2273
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:52,719
you know what what joe tisc that guy

2274
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:57,669
i will admit this to you michael i will

2275
01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:59,520
admit this to you every time somebody

2276
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,080
cites him as a source i turn off i'm

2277
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,400
sorry i apologize

2278
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:06,480
it's just that's just the way i feel

2279
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:09,440
about it and and so i have not exposed

2280
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:12,960
myself to a lot of what he has found i

2281
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:15,199
will admit that freely because because

2282
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:16,960
of this situation so

2283
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:19,440
i apologize and like i said let's both

2284
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:21,199
take a step back and take a breath we're

2285
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:22,880
trying to find common ground i'm just

2286
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:24,960
asking questions let's get into the

2287
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:27,280
laser gun photo then here it is when i

2288
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:29,280
first saw these laser pistol photos i

2289
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:31,440
had serious misgivings about them and

2290
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:33,440
the whole story of the so-called ancient

2291
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:35,760
weapon but then edward meyer took me to

2292
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:38,080
a place in the frat nature preserve near

2293
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:40,159
hinville where he had tested the first

2294
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:42,320
one he showed me a seared line of

2295
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,040
vegetation that went in a true straight

2296
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:47,760
line until it struck an embankment and

2297
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:50,000
stopped he showed me another and then a

2298
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:52,639
limb high above our heads on a tall tree

2299
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:55,360
over 60 feet tall that was severed

2300
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,400
cleanly at a place about 45 feet above

2301
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,719
the ground and 20 feet out from the

2302
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:02,800
trunk where the branch was about one

2303
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:05,120
inch in diameter the severed part of the

2304
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:06,719
branch was still lying on the ground

2305
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,560
where it had fallen and i picked it up

2306
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:11,120
and examined it it was severed cleanly

2307
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,960
without any fraying but the most

2308
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:14,639
noticeable thing about it was the thin

2309
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:17,199
layer of seared wood at the break the

2310
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:19,120
charring was no more than one inch to

2311
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:21,280
one and a quarter inches deep into the

2312
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,520
wood all the way through the branch and

2313
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:25,600
the searing of the bark was likewise

2314
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:27,760
very narrow at the break and so sudden

2315
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:29,920
and quick that the sap in the bark did

2316
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:33,360
not bubble out and run certainly no no i

2317
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,440
i take it back i have definitely heard

2318
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:37,679
this whole explanation

2319
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:41,040
several times i i have heard that have

2320
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,800
you seen the hole in the tree yes but

2321
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:44,719
what i've wondered is what i've wondered

2322
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:45,520
is

2323
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,320
yes i've seen a picture i believe i

2324
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,159
believe i've seen a photograph of it and

2325
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,320
my question about that is couldn't

2326
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:54,239
somebody have done that with a drill and

2327
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:56,080
a plumbing torch

2328
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:57,760
i'll jump down

2329
01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:59,520
then there's the problem of the hole in

2330
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:01,920
the tree the tree was a good 10 inches

2331
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:04,159
to 12 inches in diameter and the tree

2332
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:06,400
was green and full of stuff i got a 16

2333
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:08,800
inch drill i mean how would a man with

2334
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,360
one arm bore such a hole

2335
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:13,199
an auger bit would have been impossible

2336
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:15,440
because it would surely bind in a hole

2337
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:17,840
that long in a living tree how would

2338
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:20,719
meyer hold it so it was it was and then

2339
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,920
and then the other question about the

2340
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:23,760
laser gun so they gave him a laser gun

2341
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:26,000
where's it at

2342
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:28,000
they took it back you've got my time

2343
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,080
steven and now god damn it listen to

2344
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:33,040
this stuff and stop giving me bs michael

2345
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:35,360
like i said let's take a breath

2346
01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:36,960
something i'm just trying to i'm just at

2347
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:38,719
the other questions

2348
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:40,400
you asked the question i don't know

2349
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:41,760
we have a limited time that's all i'm

2350
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:43,120
saying i'm trying to get to a few more

2351
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:45,679
questions where would he get an auger

2352
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:46,400
bit

2353
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:49,199
12 inches long by one inch in diameter a

2354
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,120
non-standard size that would have to be

2355
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:53,199
a special order and made up by a tool

2356
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:54,239
maker

2357
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:55,920
this would leave tracks that could be

2358
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:58,239
traced later and the hole in the tree

2359
01:28:01,990 --> 01:28:00,320
had to be made in 20 minutes or less and

2360
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:02,000
all equipment removed and hidden never

2361
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:03,679
to be discovered again

2362
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:05,920
oh but there's more yes but he can't

2363
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:08,000
produce the laser gun

2364
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:13,360
can examine it check out its technology

2365
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,920
maybe learn from it people don't jump

2366
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:18,400
through hoops just because brain dead

2367
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:20,880
human beings on earth decide brain daddy

2368
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:22,719
said he had a laser gun i'd like to take

2369
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:24,320
a look at the laser gun but there's a

2370
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:26,880
convenient explanation for why he can't

2371
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:28,800
let me look at the laser gun because

2372
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:31,199
you're a nobody in the overall scheme

2373
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:34,800
i'm a nobody i'm okay but so am i

2374
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,480
so we've been given you're saying you

2375
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,239
got listen this is like five-year-olds

2376
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:40,400
on a playground if five-year-olds on a

2377
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:42,080
playground if one five-year-old came up

2378
01:28:46,149 --> 01:28:43,360
to a group of five-year-olds on a

2379
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:46,159
playground and said i got a laser gun

2380
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:48,159
we don't want to see it why can't we see

2381
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:50,800
the laser gun he said he had a laser gun

2382
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:53,440
michael horn come on and you are using

2383
01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:56,239
five-year-olds on a playground thinking

2384
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:58,480
it's the best analogy i could think of

2385
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:01,440
and just like five-year-olds on a

2386
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:04,000
playground if that kid went i do got a

2387
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:06,880
laser gun but you can't see it

2388
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:08,560
although all the five-year-olds would

2389
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:11,199
think he was lying so it's it's a it's a

2390
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:13,199
good analogy

2391
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:14,000
um

2392
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:16,719
it isn't a good analogy because you are

2393
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:19,520
still doing the same thing

2394
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:22,159
that everybody else does that wants that

2395
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:28,229
i wish it was true i wish it was true i

2396
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:30,159
grew up with the story i wanted to be

2397
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:32,239
true i wish you did it your way out of a

2398
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:34,880
paper bag here listen watch this then

2399
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:37,040
the hole in the tree which a man could

2400
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:40,000
insert his thumb into was not completely

2401
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:42,400
round inside but somewhat

2402
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:45,280
oval in some places like the hole made

2403
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:48,000
by pouring hot water into a snow bank

2404
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:49,679
and the charring through light and

2405
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:52,480
penetrating into the wood no more than

2406
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:55,280
one quarter inch or less was uniform

2407
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:57,520
throughout including the front entrance

2408
01:30:02,149 --> 01:29:59,600
and the rear exit from the trunk and the

2409
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:02,159
dark soil behind the tree in line of

2410
01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:04,880
sight through the hole was still smoking

2411
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:06,800
and infused i'm not taking anybody

2412
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:08,719
else's word for this because i was there

2413
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:10,320
a short time later and personally

2414
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:13,840
examined it all for myself now you don't

2415
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:15,280
like it it's not good enough because

2416
01:30:19,750 --> 01:30:17,920
well you want the toy gun to appear they

2417
01:30:23,189 --> 01:30:19,760
found out that when they went looking

2418
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:23,199
for the toy gun it didn't exist it

2419
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:25,840
didn't exist it didn't exist in sporting

2420
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:28,239
goods stores it didn't exist in

2421
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,400
toy stores it didn't exist in anywhere

2422
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:32,639
that they could find it and to this day

2423
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:34,800
nobody's produced so what's actually

2424
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,120
happening somebody's found that i saw i

2425
01:30:42,070 --> 01:30:39,199
saw a side by side comparison was that

2426
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:42,080
inaccurate was that inaccurate

2427
01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:44,000
you produce the side by side because

2428
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:46,159
i've seen every so-called side by side

2429
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:49,679
and they explain how this works that it

2430
01:30:53,270 --> 01:30:52,320
isn't the same and they said

2431
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:53,280
you know

2432
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:55,280
one guy insisted the gun here is from

2433
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:57,840
here was a plastic toy weapon and it

2434
01:31:02,149 --> 01:31:00,000
could be proved that the color of the

2435
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:02,159
muzzle of the weapon was the same color

2436
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:04,560
as the freshly painted red fence in

2437
01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:06,960
meyer's yard also seen in the pictures

2438
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:07,760
okay

2439
01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:09,040
one more question and i mean this

2440
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:11,280
sincerely so aliens give them the laser

2441
01:31:15,669 --> 01:31:12,880
gun and he just takes it like in his

2442
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:15,679
backyard on a farm and and shoots a tree

2443
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:18,000
like why i don't i don't understand the

2444
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:19,040
logic

2445
01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:21,440
and because you've got a construct in

2446
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:23,600
your mind that things have to happen a

2447
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:25,920
certain way just like seti does they

2448
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:27,679
think somebody's gonna babble to them in

2449
01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:29,840
mathematics and that's going to be

2450
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:32,560
contact while billy meyer for 77 years

2451
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:34,320
is talking to real people and they're

2452
01:31:38,149 --> 01:31:36,400
doing it in german so he can understand

2453
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:38,159
it and transcribe it but

2454
01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:40,239
why would super intelligent aliens just

2455
01:31:44,950 --> 01:31:42,800
lend billy meyer a laser gun then

2456
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:44,960
i mean why would they do that why would

2457
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:45,840
they

2458
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:47,840
lend him a laser gun well it looks to me

2459
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:50,080
like it provoked some controversy don't

2460
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:52,159
you think let me finish this thing about

2461
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:53,760
the toy weapon

2462
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:56,960
because it was not seen to be true in

2463
01:32:01,590 --> 01:31:58,560
the same photos for the fence was

2464
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:01,600
painted with a glossy blood red enamel

2465
01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:03,520
whereas the muzzle of the weapon was a

2466
01:32:08,709 --> 01:32:06,480
flat rosy red color and they had

2467
01:32:11,189 --> 01:32:08,719
and nor did this guy know that we had

2468
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:11,199
been to every toy supplier in

2469
01:32:16,390 --> 01:32:14,000
switzerland and failed to find any toy

2470
01:32:18,629 --> 01:32:16,400
weapon anything like the laser pistol

2471
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:18,639
meyer photograph a search of sporting

2472
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:20,880
goods stores was equally fruitless to

2473
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:23,040
this day we've never found a match for

2474
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:24,960
that in other words whatever you think

2475
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:26,880
of the investigators or anything else

2476
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:29,679
they did an investigation and they did a

2477
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:31,440
very the i mean all the people that

2478
01:32:35,990 --> 01:32:33,360
participated there were many more people

2479
01:32:37,590 --> 01:32:36,000
than wendell stevens and the two of them

2480
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:37,600
lee and bride elders were skeptics when

2481
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:39,520
they went over there but

2482
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:41,440
yeah and that that leads me to one other

2483
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:43,040
question about that documentary is a lot

2484
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:45,199
of people uh including you i believe

2485
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:48,239
have cited jim delatoso's image analysis

2486
01:32:50,629 --> 01:32:49,760
and i have a huge problem with that

2487
01:32:52,229 --> 01:32:50,639
because

2488
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:52,239
he he just

2489
01:32:57,270 --> 01:32:55,280
first of all like the 1970s

2490
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:57,280
early 80s technology that he used to do

2491
01:33:01,350 --> 01:32:59,360
that analysis and second of all you know

2492
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:01,360
he's been largely discredited with his

2493
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:03,920
analysis of the phoenix lights being

2494
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:07,120
completely and totally not science

2495
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:09,280
and so you know that's one of those

2496
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,600
things that always makes me

2497
01:33:15,350 --> 01:33:13,199
something wrong every time or is he

2498
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:15,360
right every time how about neither well

2499
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:17,280
but here's here's here's my concern

2500
01:33:20,790 --> 01:33:18,639
you've got you

2501
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:20,800
you like to cite like this is proof and

2502
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:23,600
you've got jim del tozo who

2503
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:24,880
your most

2504
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:27,600
professional image analyst would say

2505
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:28,480
he's

2506
01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:30,159
you know it's junk science what he does

2507
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:31,840
it's not real science so that's you're

2508
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,960
saying that

2509
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:34,800
you have photographic proof that's

2510
01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:36,480
that's the guy doing it and it's he's

2511
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:38,080
been largely discredited

2512
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:39,199
no and then you're saying the laser

2513
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:41,040
gun's real i have a child molester that

2514
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:42,320
saw it

2515
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:44,159
there you go again it's very

2516
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:46,960
disingenuous thing to do you don't know

2517
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:48,960
that the people that you rely on maybe

2518
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:50,719
people in your own family or goddamn

2519
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:52,639
child molesters how would you know until

2520
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:54,320
they're outed maybe they've been living

2521
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:55,840
these wonderful saints

2522
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:57,199
i think you're missing the point my

2523
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:58,719
point is that you're citing these people

2524
01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:00,960
as proof of your claims and once been

2525
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,639
largely discredited and the other one is

2526
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:04,560
not going to say it again

2527
01:34:08,390 --> 01:34:06,719
steven if you're going to do this no i

2528
01:34:10,149 --> 01:34:08,400
just want to move on

2529
01:34:11,990 --> 01:34:10,159
i'm going to give it plain and straight

2530
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:12,000
from the beginning

2531
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:15,360
an analysis using standard

2532
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:18,560
protocols for determining evidence shows

2533
01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:20,719
the meyer case is authentic that's the

2534
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:22,800
first thing you've yet to acknowledge

2535
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:25,520
that because you're not willing to go

2536
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:27,840
means motive and opportunity let me look

2537
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:29,600
at that i didn't see that article even

2538
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:30,800
though it's been on your website for two

2539
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:33,280
and a half years michael and uh i don't

2540
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:35,120
know i mean you're gonna i've been a

2541
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:37,199
little behind on the billy meyer case

2542
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:39,199
well then you don't have to what i will

2543
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:41,520
say is this what i will say is that you

2544
01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:44,159
know i i'm trying to do my due diligence

2545
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:46,239
i'm trying to understand what to me has

2546
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:49,360
been a mystery since i was a child

2547
01:34:54,790 --> 01:34:52,000
i loved i do i like this i love the

2548
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:54,800
story michael but forget the story where

2549
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,440
i'm at is where i'm at is still stephen

2550
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:59,280
do you understand

2551
01:35:02,470 --> 01:35:00,480
or not

2552
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:02,480
yeah i'm having a conversation with you

2553
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:04,400
here where you go into your feelings

2554
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:05,920
every two minutes then you wanted to you

2555
01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:06,880
know

2556
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:10,639
possible he wasn't it's possible that

2557
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:12,320
what i was told by lee and brit elders

2558
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:14,639
and other people was he was told to shut

2559
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,719
the hell up or he was going to jail and

2560
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:18,239
they were going to put him there and

2561
01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:20,159
that's what happened now i don't know

2562
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:21,600
that it's true and i don't know that he

2563
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:23,760
was a child moisture i have absolutely

2564
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:26,000
no truck no patience with child

2565
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:27,840
molesters i think they are the worst

2566
01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:29,920
people in the world but i heard and i

2567
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:32,560
knew wendell for 20 years pardon me with

2568
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:34,480
your you know your second and third hand

2569
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:36,880
information and if you're going to be in

2570
01:35:40,830 --> 01:35:39,040
a public it's public records it's not

2571
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:40,840
second and third-hand

2572
01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:42,080
information publicly

2573
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:44,560
firsthand court documents that i got

2574
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:46,400
here on him you know

2575
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:48,159
everything's true right you read it on

2576
01:35:52,390 --> 01:35:50,239
that's the news that's the that's the

2577
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:52,400
news so it's obviously true right i mean

2578
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:54,080
i know that you know that it's true

2579
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:55,679
because okay well let's just say this

2580
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:57,280
anybody can read the court transcripts

2581
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:58,560
their public records and make their own

2582
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:01,040
determination of the of of the veracity

2583
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:03,040
of the claims and his conviction and and

2584
01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:05,119
let's move on yeah so therefore

2585
01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:06,560
of course he was guilty we all know that

2586
01:36:11,109 --> 01:36:09,119
nobody's ever been wrongly accused

2587
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:11,119
nobody's ever been wrongly convicted and

2588
01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:13,840
nobody's ever been wrongly jailed oh of

2589
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:15,679
course

2590
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:17,679
so why don't we go to the place where we

2591
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:20,000
can discuss evidence in an intelligent

2592
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:21,760
way let's go right back to the beginning

2593
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:24,480
now in the very beginning i said to you

2594
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:26,320
joe tisc

2595
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:27,920
he happens to be

2596
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:31,520
a stellar expert but he said himself

2597
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:33,760
my credentials don't matter this is how

2598
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:36,800
you analyze evidence i was a skeptic the

2599
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:38,880
billy meyer case is authentic i'll take

2600
01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:41,920
on any skeptic and he did now you're one

2601
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:43,679
of those skeptics that here wants to go

2602
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:45,840
back and forth and tell me stories and

2603
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:47,440
question this and when i try to explain

2604
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:48,880
you want to interrupt it with something

2605
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:51,119
else so let's go right back to

2606
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:52,880
if billy meyer

2607
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:54,080
published

2608
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:55,199
80

2609
01:37:01,510 --> 01:36:58,639
photos in a photo album of ufos in 1964

2610
01:37:03,109 --> 01:37:01,520
tell me stephen where did he get him

2611
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:03,119
well one

2612
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:04,960
one theory suggests that he made the

2613
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:06,719
models and he took the pictures and he

2614
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:08,639
hung them from strings

2615
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:09,679
stephen

2616
01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:11,520
where did he get him i don't

2617
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:13,600
we have a theory from kendall kevin

2618
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:15,679
randall that he carried in a larger

2619
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:17,600
around rural

2620
01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:20,159
uh india out on the outskirts of delhi

2621
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:22,159
this is a guy verifiably travelling

2622
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:23,760
around with the knapsack

2623
01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:26,400
an old camera hardly any money working

2624
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:29,679
his way around it's 1964 and he has 80

2625
01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:32,480
clear ufo photos 12 he still exists and

2626
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:34,320
one of them is mind-boggling anyhow it's

2627
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:36,480
on the site where did he get them you're

2628
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:39,199
the skeptic now you tell me not a theory

2629
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:41,040
where did he get them he would not be

2630
01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:43,040
the first person to fake

2631
01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:44,239
photographs

2632
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:48,320
yep he's in 1964 he's got 80 of them not

2633
01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:51,199
one or two okay so he's very diligent at

2634
01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:52,159
faking

2635
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:54,080
so in other words you're saying in the

2636
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:56,400
face i'm saying it's within the realm of

2637
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:58,719
possibility that he faked them i am

2638
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:01,040
willing to accept that the photos may be

2639
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:02,880
real if you are willing to accept that

2640
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:06,400
the photos may not be real no because

2641
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:09,280
according to the oh my god i don't

2642
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:10,960
i thought you were an intelligent guy

2643
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:13,520
according to a discredited so-called

2644
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:15,199
image animal no

2645
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:17,600
listen who else stop interrupting it

2646
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:20,639
according to the protocols used by

2647
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:23,760
military and and police and others have

2648
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:26,400
analyzed the images and have said oh my

2649
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:28,480
god well let's go to let's go to the

2650
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:30,560
let's go to michael schrad how about him

2651
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:31,440
like

2652
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:33,679
he did an excellent analysis of of the

2653
01:38:38,470 --> 01:38:35,840
photos and here's the problems that he

2654
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,480
found multiple grouped ufos photographed

2655
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:40,800
in the same shot ufo never photographed

2656
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:43,040
on the ground these things landed why

2657
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,400
were they never photographed on the

2658
01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:46,800
ground why why why objects too large or

2659
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:50,000
disproportionate use of force or false

2660
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:52,320
perspective technique that's an aircraft

2661
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:54,560
historian that's making these statements

2662
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:56,320
object perfectly centered in frame

2663
01:38:59,750 --> 01:38:57,920
object positioned perfectly about the

2664
01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:59,760
vertical axis

2665
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:01,520
objects surrounded by trees are various

2666
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:03,600
structures to obscure suspension rings

2667
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:06,880
no they show the scale listen please do

2668
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:08,719
what i'm saying is that for for the for

2669
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:10,239
the for the evidence that you're saying

2670
01:39:14,149 --> 01:39:12,400
these are real there is counter evidence

2671
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:14,159
and that these are fake

2672
01:39:19,510 --> 01:39:16,800
he's talking photos could be fake

2673
01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:19,520
he's talking 1975 photos i'm taking you

2674
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,719
back to 64. and unless you give me as

2675
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:25,199
you would have to give joe tisc unless

2676
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:28,000
you sh tell me how not your theory not

2677
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:29,520
what you think he could have done how

2678
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:31,440
he's running around in rural india in a

2679
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:34,480
dusty place and he's made models of ufos

2680
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:36,080
and we have the photographs of the state

2681
01:39:39,910 --> 01:39:37,840
you tell me how he did it or you're

2682
01:39:41,669 --> 01:39:39,920
gonna have to admit that you don't know

2683
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:41,679
how he did it and that it's more than

2684
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:44,400
likely that a top military expert and

2685
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,639
any other human being on the planet

2686
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:48,800
following the protocols laid out in that

2687
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:50,800
article will come to the same

2688
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:53,360
inescapable conclusion the photos and

2689
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:56,080
the films are real now you want to get

2690
01:40:02,149 --> 01:39:59,280
to the 75 photos and on there are three

2691
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:02,159
relatively new analyses detailed using

2692
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:04,960
state-of-the-art 21st century technology

2693
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:07,280
and as i said you're gonna have those

2694
01:40:11,669 --> 01:40:09,040
but you better start

2695
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:11,679
right at the beginning 1964.

2696
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:12,880
you're telling me well he could have

2697
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:14,320
this and he couldn't because you you

2698
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:16,480
you're in fantasyland you haven't gone

2699
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:18,080
to india you didn't stick your finger in

2700
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:20,159
the goddamn hole in the tree you haven't

2701
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:21,440
interviewed this man you haven't tried

2702
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:23,440
to trick him you didn't interview 14 of

2703
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:24,560
the people who's

2704
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:25,840
michael if

2705
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,000
somebody wants to pay my way to go

2706
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:30,480
interview billy never mind yeah you want

2707
01:40:34,229 --> 01:40:32,639
me i get listen i i listen i'll be very

2708
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:34,239
honest with you i would love to do that

2709
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:36,880
i got a wife and kids and i have bills

2710
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:38,719
and like you know it would be very

2711
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:40,480
costly to go do that or i would love

2712
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,400
that i've been there 20 times i figured

2713
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:44,560
out how to get there and i don't have a

2714
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:46,639
salary and i don't have a retirement

2715
01:40:51,189 --> 01:40:49,280
pension so i don't want to hear bs from

2716
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:51,199
people who are willing to impugn this

2717
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:53,119
man's integrity with absolutely no

2718
01:40:56,629 --> 01:40:54,159
reason

2719
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:56,639
anyone's integrity i'm asking questions

2720
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:59,119
that's all we do here

2721
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:00,960
you can't answer the hard questions and

2722
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:02,560
neither can any of the parasites in

2723
01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:05,199
ufology because they don't want this to

2724
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:07,280
be true they don't want to know that

2725
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:09,119
what's coming to this world will be the

2726
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:12,719
eruption of five volcanoes in italy

2727
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:15,679
re-evolving into a doomsday cult here is

2728
01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:17,520
that happening

2729
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:19,360
some people have called it a ufo call

2730
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:22,239
you said that not me

2731
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:24,400
stephen i'm trying to give you credit

2732
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:25,920
for being intelligent you're making it

2733
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:28,400
difficult when the man has information

2734
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:32,239
given to him in 1948 and it says after

2735
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:36,400
2015 and 6 2016 there will be precursor

2736
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:40,000
earthquakes in italy prior to the major

2737
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:42,080
eruptions that will take place later

2738
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:44,400
around aetna monstrom

2739
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:47,520
vesuvius and campy flagery and mount

2740
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:49,760
marseille and then

2741
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:51,440
also there will be heavy earthquake

2742
01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:53,199
activity in indonesia we will have a

2743
01:41:57,990 --> 01:41:56,080
caldera of campy flaglery opening up in

2744
01:41:59,910 --> 01:41:58,000
italy then the caldera in northern

2745
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:59,920
germany known as the eiffel fields and

2746
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:02,080
eventually the yellowstone in america

2747
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:06,480
and it's 1948 and in 2015 2016 those

2748
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:08,960
earthquakes started in italy well if you

2749
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:11,440
don't want to know push that stuff aside

2750
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:12,639
if you don't want to get one of your

2751
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:15,360
friends at nasa to tell me that they can

2752
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:17,840
show that billy meyer didn't publish

2753
01:42:22,870 --> 01:42:20,320
stuff 30 years before they did you see

2754
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:22,880
we're dealing with a race or somebody if

2755
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:25,760
you think meyer is a hoaxer who comes up

2756
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:28,320
with all this stuff that's freaking iron

2757
01:42:32,310 --> 01:42:30,320
clad you can't stick a piece of paper in

2758
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:32,320
it when you get down to nitty gritty but

2759
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:34,560
intelligent people like you want to do

2760
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:37,040
bs with me and i don't buy bs anymore

2761
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:39,119
because this is too important you said

2762
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:41,199
you had real questions i gave you in the

2763
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:43,360
first five minutes i gave you a 12

2764
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:45,679
second answer that shows that this case

2765
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:47,920
is real if you have the wit and the will

2766
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:50,480
you will go to joe tisc's article you

2767
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:52,239
will run through the protocol you will

2768
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,560
go through the through new analyses you

2769
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:56,400
will go through the older analyses that

2770
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:58,000
were done at the sound labs and the

2771
01:43:01,990 --> 01:42:59,760
photographic analyses and all the rest

2772
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:02,000
of it you will read marcel vogel's

2773
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:04,080
credentials and his analysis of the

2774
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:06,000
metal samples you will

2775
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:07,600
take the photos and others have said

2776
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:09,440
that those metal samples were ordinary

2777
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:11,840
earth and aluminum and copper

2778
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:14,400
well hey guess what if the preponderance

2779
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:16,560
of evidence starts to show that this

2780
01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:18,880
guy's telling the truth and that really

2781
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:21,040
credible scientists have put their you

2782
01:43:25,030 --> 01:43:22,639
know their names online

2783
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:25,040
um well let's see if it's going to be a

2784
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:27,119
duel and we know that the case is real

2785
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:29,119
already we know that the case is real

2786
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:30,800
and authentic because we've been given

2787
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:34,000
them the friggin legal protocol the

2788
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:35,760
military protocol the scientific

2789
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,480
protocol and it establishes it in five

2790
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:40,800
minutes for anybody that can think well

2791
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:43,119
so-and-so says this photo is too good to

2792
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:44,960
be true that one was wrong and it's

2793
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:46,880
forced perspective but then when we have

2794
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:49,440
the 21st century analysis with all the

2795
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:51,280
computer technology they say

2796
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:54,800
gee real large objects can i ask another

2797
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:56,480
question about the photos why did his

2798
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:59,199
ex-wife say that he faked the photos

2799
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:01,440
you are still men now i realize that an

2800
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:03,920
ex-wife may not be an entirely reliable

2801
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:05,520
source she may be vengeful she may be

2802
01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:07,520
trying to take revenge but it's an

2803
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:09,119
interesting part it's an interesting

2804
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:11,600
part of the story that he gets divorced

2805
01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:13,520
he gets divorced she comes out and says

2806
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,310
saying that it's real after she said

2807
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:22,960
she's seen his son or one of his sons

2808
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:26,560
also come out and and and sort of

2809
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:28,480
said his son came out that didn't like

2810
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:30,719
his dad but in the same thing he says oh

2811
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:33,040
that's all the contexts are real i just

2812
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:35,440
hate my dad the other son who is in a

2813
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:37,600
video as a kid along with the mother

2814
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,480
showing

2815
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,560
like a painting drawing that he made of

2816
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:42,719
one of the craft that he saw this is the

2817
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:45,199
problem with crap online and crap for

2818
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:47,360
brains people that run around putting up

2819
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:49,440
their skeptical shots who didn't look

2820
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:51,520
into they didn't look into the fact that

2821
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:54,800
his ex-wife suddenly became wealthy

2822
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:56,719
after she left and started attacking

2823
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:59,280
billy oh gosh this is where we want to

2824
01:45:03,510 --> 01:45:02,000
go you're not being scientific i'm

2825
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:03,520
hammering away

2826
01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:05,280
and you're not going to get off on this

2827
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:06,719
and neither would

2828
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:08,800
zenzie's end my friend over there or

2829
01:45:13,189 --> 01:45:11,199
anybody else yeah he he told me that i

2830
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:13,199
should ask you once again who wrote the

2831
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:15,119
books where did they all come from was

2832
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:16,960
it aliens yeah i think you've already

2833
01:45:20,149 --> 01:45:18,320
answered that question though you said

2834
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:20,159
that that he had these experiences and

2835
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:21,679
was shown these things and then he went

2836
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:23,679
and wrote it down and then he published

2837
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:25,920
books some are the spiritual teaching if

2838
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:27,600
you will some are books that meyer

2839
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:29,600
himself authored some of these books

2840
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:31,119
that are in the spiritual teaching meyer

2841
01:45:36,229 --> 01:45:33,600
says that the this comes to him from a

2842
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:36,239
higher plane he transcribes it as it is

2843
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:37,600
and he publishes it and he doesn't

2844
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:39,840
change a letter of it people can do

2845
01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:42,000
without what they want i'm coming back

2846
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:44,000
to the thing you and i are having this

2847
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:45,920
discussion because you say you want to

2848
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:47,760
know if the meyer case is real or not

2849
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:49,760
i'm saying we've established that it's

2850
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,840
real but you don't want to grasp that

2851
01:45:55,109 --> 01:45:53,119
nor do you want to grapple with it

2852
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:55,119
because you still want it to be

2853
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:56,960
something else why did the aliens do

2854
01:46:00,709 --> 01:45:59,040
this wouldn't shouldn't they done that

2855
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:00,719
why and that leads me to another

2856
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:03,280
question why only billy meyer you have

2857
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:04,800
said that he's the only genuine

2858
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,840
contactee okay here's a reversal so all

2859
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:09,440
the other contactees all the other

2860
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:12,000
people i will agree with you on one one

2861
01:46:15,430 --> 01:46:13,679
corey goode is not in contact with the

2862
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:15,440
allies he's a total fraud so we have

2863
01:46:18,790 --> 01:46:16,800
some common ground there you've said

2864
01:46:20,950 --> 01:46:18,800
that anybody that claims that they're in

2865
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:20,960
contact with aliens besides billy meyer

2866
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:23,440
is a fraud and a fake a liar and a liar

2867
01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:25,600
and there is no other genuine why just

2868
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:28,480
billy meyer then why him after that you

2869
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:31,360
see you're asking me that question as if

2870
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:33,920
you know of some evidence to the

2871
01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:36,960
contrary my answer is well give me

2872
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:39,119
evidence to the contrary i have looked

2873
01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:41,600
at evidence over 40 years on so many

2874
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:43,760
things and guess what

2875
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:47,119
i don't find any nobody has presented

2876
01:46:52,870 --> 01:46:50,400
one piece of verifiable extraterrestrial

2877
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:52,880
manufacture evidence not a single

2878
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:55,440
paragraph of significant scientific

2879
01:46:58,709 --> 01:46:56,960
infra all these people that are in

2880
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:58,719
contact with aliens

2881
01:47:01,910 --> 01:46:59,760
really

2882
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:01,920
where is it and then i'll i'll start

2883
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:03,679
talking about why

2884
01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:06,320
well gee i tell you what this evidence

2885
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:08,400
that you have now brought to me stephen

2886
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:10,560
let's have it compared to and tested

2887
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:12,159
according to the same standards that

2888
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:14,239
myers was but i'm hearing dead air here

2889
01:47:21,510 --> 01:47:19,910
well you know back to the model thing i

2890
01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:21,520
mean i'm looking right now at one

2891
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:23,840
enlargement of one of the photos that

2892
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:26,159
shows what some people think is

2893
01:47:30,629 --> 01:47:29,360
an eye screw that was used to

2894
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:30,639
suspend the

2895
01:47:35,270 --> 01:47:32,719
model you mean the thing on top of the

2896
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:35,280
craft that's because it's a perfect loop

2897
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:37,199
like like you could use what that means

2898
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:39,760
is obviously if it's a perfect loop it's

2899
01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:41,920
got to be an eye screw and despite the

2900
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:43,280
fact that that's one of hundreds of

2901
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:44,960
photos and some of them have the

2902
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:47,040
so-called ice cream or an antenna where

2903
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,800
that means that it's obviously a hoax

2904
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:50,320
because all the people that brought that

2905
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:51,040
up

2906
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:52,960
in their their daytime job if they're

2907
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:54,719
lucky they're flipping dick goddamn

2908
01:47:58,629 --> 01:47:56,639
burgers and now they're experts on what

2909
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:58,639
an extraterrestrial cafe craft would

2910
01:48:02,390 --> 01:48:01,199
look like gosh so what about the wedding

2911
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,400
photo because a lot of people are

2912
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:04,800
critical of that i won't say you know i

2913
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:06,960
i i think the wedding photo looks really

2914
01:48:10,550 --> 01:48:09,119
hokey and fake that's just my personal

2915
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:10,560
opinion because you're right i don't

2916
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:11,840
know what a spacecraft's supposed to

2917
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:13,199
look like maybe that's what they look

2918
01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:13,920
like

2919
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:15,520
so can you talk about the wedding photo

2920
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:17,920
a little bit yes as i said and you will

2921
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:19,600
have the link in time for you i'm sorry

2922
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:21,360
to be clear it's the wedding cake photo

2923
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:22,480
is what it's called if you google

2924
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:24,159
wedding cake photo you'll see the exact

2925
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:25,360
photos

2926
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:27,600
yes so what you're going to have you

2927
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:29,040
know what i will be sending you and you

2928
01:48:34,149 --> 01:48:30,800
got to give me a day or so because as i

2929
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:34,159
said i've had a little assignment today

2930
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,239
okay so what you're going to get

2931
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:38,239
is you're going to get the 70

2932
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:41,360
4-page report on that object and with

2933
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:43,360
all of the protocols and technologies

2934
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:46,960
used to analyze the wedding cake ufo

2935
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:48,560
all the stuff and you're going to get a

2936
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:51,280
link to a separate book that's published

2937
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:53,119
about it and you're going to get a link

2938
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:55,760
to the analysis of the craft going

2939
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,159
around the tree that two different

2940
01:49:02,709 --> 01:49:00,400
special effects experts academy

2941
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:02,719
award-winning special of x effects

2942
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:04,639
experts say is not

2943
01:49:08,709 --> 01:49:06,639
hope it's not a hoax it's not a model

2944
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,719
and it's not cgi or special effects can

2945
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:10,480
i ask one can i ask one question because

2946
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:12,639
i i don't seem to recall but this this

2947
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:15,280
particular model has a bunch of spheres

2948
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:17,360
around it what are the function some

2949
01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:18,800
this is kind of a listener question

2950
01:49:22,390 --> 01:49:20,320
actually what are the function of the

2951
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:22,400
spheres because that

2952
01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:24,159
that wedding cake

2953
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:25,599
ufo photo

2954
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:27,360
has these spheres around the flying

2955
01:49:31,589 --> 01:49:29,440
saucer the rest of them do not have that

2956
01:49:33,510 --> 01:49:31,599
those spheres that's correct i can tell

2957
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:33,520
you two things one i do not know for

2958
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:35,760
certainty two i think it's robert

2959
01:49:40,709 --> 01:49:38,080
shellman from the naval undersea lab

2960
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:40,719
only having heard the sound

2961
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:42,480
of the craft and not seeing the photo

2962
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:45,520
said the sound seems to be made by some

2963
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:47,040
type of i think he said it was a

2964
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:49,920
spherical thing uh for some kind of

2965
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:52,480
magnetic things in resonance so he has

2966
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:55,679
probably the best guess i do not know

2967
01:49:59,750 --> 01:49:56,719
and

2968
01:50:01,750 --> 01:49:59,760
ufos are irrelevant to us right now this

2969
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:01,760
is what all these nice people better

2970
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:03,360
understand

2971
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:05,440
that object called apophis is coming

2972
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:07,840
towards earth there are changes coming

2973
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:10,080
on the planet that are unstoppable and

2974
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:12,960
are going to affect everybody within the

2975
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:14,560
next 10 years

2976
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:16,639
you're not going to recognize the planet

2977
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:18,639
but but just to be clear but

2978
01:50:23,109 --> 01:50:21,199
are you saying that then billy meyer and

2979
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:23,119
these aliens can save us from this

2980
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:26,239
coming catastrophe

2981
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,320
no because

2982
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:30,400
the contact with the play aaron was

2983
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:33,280
offered in 1979

2984
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:35,520
to the jimmy carter

2985
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:39,040
administration which in its wisdom

2986
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:40,080
turned

2987
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:41,040
it

2988
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:42,080
down

2989
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:45,040
so that's bye-bye and the play arnold

2990
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:47,360
said look we cannot we're not going to

2991
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:50,480
extend that offer any further the people

2992
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:52,159
in america

2993
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:55,360
are incapable of reason

2994
01:50:59,830 --> 01:50:58,159
they simply do not understand

2995
01:51:02,470 --> 01:50:59,840
self-responsibility

2996
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:02,480
they didn't understand that we've given

2997
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:04,880
the warnings for decades and decades on

2998
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:07,199
what's happening what's coming the cause

2999
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:10,080
of it they over populate this planet as

3000
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:12,560
well as the country of america itself

3001
01:51:17,149 --> 01:51:14,639
it's to such a high degree

3002
01:51:19,669 --> 01:51:17,159
that all of these consequences of the

3003
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:19,679
overpopulation manifest in the

3004
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:22,080
disruptions of the environment

3005
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:24,000
sure there's some things that occur

3006
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:26,400
naturally but environmental destruction

3007
01:51:31,589 --> 01:51:28,639
and climate change that's 75 percent

3008
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:31,599
man-made now we don't have a clue about

3009
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:33,840
it some of our scientists know many of

3010
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:36,159
them been bought off to not say that

3011
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:38,719
it's real but as billy published the

3012
01:51:43,109 --> 01:51:41,440
icebergs are melting as billy published

3013
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:43,119
the damage to the ozone took place from

3014
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:45,199
the atomic testing as billy published

3015
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:47,040
published published from these people

3016
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:49,040
because meyer himself in those early

3017
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:52,320
years he himself didn't know all of that

3018
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:54,080
he was shown it and some of it he

3019
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:56,320
reasoned out himself

3020
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:58,320
something jumped out at me on on your

3021
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:00,800
site and that is this advertisement for

3022
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:03,760
the arahat atherosata

3023
01:52:05,589 --> 01:52:04,719
is that

3024
01:52:07,270 --> 01:52:05,599
okay

3025
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,280
you know i'm just going to ask this very

3026
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:09,199
plainly there's some quotes and one of

3027
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:10,800
them is after several cover to cover

3028
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:12,960
readings of the of this book i became

3029
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:14,480
able to neutralize or eliminate my

3030
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:16,960
migraine headaches within seconds isn't

3031
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:18,480
that illegal because you're making a

3032
01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:21,199
medical claim that a book can cure some

3033
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:22,960
medical condition

3034
01:52:30,149 --> 01:52:26,239
no that is what somebody experienced and

3035
01:52:31,750 --> 01:52:30,159
i put their testimonial up people listen

3036
01:52:33,669 --> 01:52:31,760
it just seems like a bowl it just seems

3037
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:33,679
like you're promising that if you read

3038
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:36,560
this book you can cure migraines

3039
01:52:40,709 --> 01:52:39,280
god it's so hard you want to keep on i'm

3040
01:52:42,790 --> 01:52:40,719
trying to explain something if you

3041
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:42,800
understood that the spiritual teaching

3042
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:44,560
which is

3043
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:46,560
a bunch of other things as well lots of

3044
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:47,920
it for free now you don't have to buy a

3045
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:52,239
book explains how you use your mind in

3046
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:55,920
your life in those aspects of your life

3047
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:58,480
that even includes your health your

3048
01:53:04,229 --> 01:53:00,480
peace of mind not everybody's going to

3049
01:53:06,709 --> 01:53:04,239
be able this is a guy who applied how to

3050
01:53:09,510 --> 01:53:06,719
think to a problem that he was having in

3051
01:53:12,310 --> 01:53:09,520
his own freaking head will everybody get

3052
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:12,320
some no other people learn to do other

3053
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:14,159
things by it they

3054
01:53:18,629 --> 01:53:16,480
find a way to be more effective in their

3055
01:53:20,629 --> 01:53:18,639
occupations or in their

3056
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:20,639
relationships with their family or how

3057
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:22,639
to deal with things in the outer world

3058
01:53:27,189 --> 01:53:24,960
and how to improve okay you know listen

3059
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:27,199
i i understand i just that that really

3060
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:29,520
just simple that kind of jumped out at

3061
01:53:34,070 --> 01:53:32,080
me is like this is a kind of a pretty

3062
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:34,080
out there claim like you could read you

3063
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:34,800
know

3064
01:53:37,669 --> 01:53:36,400
but listen i want to give you the last

3065
01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:37,679
word i

3066
01:53:42,149 --> 01:53:39,760
i want to say this and make sure that

3067
01:53:44,310 --> 01:53:42,159
you hear and understand me i

3068
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:44,320
am sincerely thankful that you took the

3069
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:46,639
time to to do this with me because

3070
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:48,800
people said you would never come on my

3071
01:53:54,070 --> 01:53:51,199
show i think we had a nice talk i'm

3072
01:53:56,070 --> 01:53:54,080
sorry if it got a little heated at times

3073
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:56,080
we can continue to

3074
01:54:00,629 --> 01:53:58,400
agree to disagree on some points and i

3075
01:54:02,229 --> 01:54:00,639
will look into this thing more and now i

3076
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:02,239
want to just let you have the last word

3077
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:04,080
and we have just a few minutes at the

3078
01:54:09,589 --> 01:54:06,800
beginning of this program i presented to

3079
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:09,599
you at least the first statement which

3080
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:11,760
is pretty much sets the whole tone for

3081
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:14,239
the iron-clad authenticity of the meyer

3082
01:54:19,350 --> 01:54:17,199
case how one themselves can march

3083
01:54:21,270 --> 01:54:19,360
through the steps scientifically

3084
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:21,280
scientifically

3085
01:54:25,189 --> 01:54:23,280
legally if you will

3086
01:54:27,669 --> 01:54:25,199
and determine the authenticity of the

3087
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:27,679
case themselves you will have a photo

3088
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:29,280
that you can play with you have all

3089
01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:30,880
sorts of things you can do

3090
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:33,679
if after that you have an actual

3091
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:36,239
question that challenges the analysis

3092
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:38,880
that first one that proves the case real

3093
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:41,040
please feel free to send it otherwise

3094
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:43,280
i'm concluding the saying i have done

3095
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:45,040
what you've asked and that is actually i

3096
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:47,119
showed you that this has existed a long

3097
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:49,199
time that the case is ironclad whether

3098
01:54:53,990 --> 01:54:52,000
you understand agree or not whether that

3099
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:54,000
you can be anybody in the audience with

3100
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:55,520
what the evidence is how it was done

3101
01:55:01,669 --> 01:54:58,480
blah blah blah it is what it is and if

3102
01:55:02,950 --> 01:55:01,679
people cannot credibly credibly refute

3103
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,960
it not through what they believe and not

3104
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:05,040
through their theories then it stands

3105
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:07,920
and finally i'll say since you mentioned

3106
01:55:11,589 --> 01:55:09,920
knowing people in nasa and challenged

3107
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:11,599
that nasa my claim that nasa

3108
01:55:16,629 --> 01:55:14,159
authenticated i stand behind that claim

3109
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:16,639
and i i think it's a pure matter of

3110
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:18,960
simple logic if meyer published it

3111
01:55:23,350 --> 01:55:21,199
before nasa and nasa came out they

3112
01:55:25,750 --> 01:55:23,360
corroborated meyer not the other way

3113
01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:25,760
around the points are there

3114
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:27,280
nobody has to agree but if you're going

3115
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:29,360
to tell me that my after this the meyer

3116
01:55:33,270 --> 01:55:30,880
case isn't real and his evidence isn't

3117
01:55:35,830 --> 01:55:33,280
real then either prove it folks or don't

3118
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:35,840
even bother and if you have any evidence

3119
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:37,840
that all of the frauds phonies liars

3120
01:55:42,149 --> 01:55:39,920
charlatans and cheats that i've called

3121
01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:42,159
out by name from nick pope to richard

3122
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:45,199
dolan stephen greer michael salapal all

3123
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:47,280
of them i'll say it to their face and

3124
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:48,560
none of them will raise their voice

3125
01:55:52,870 --> 01:55:50,639
because they know as soon as they try to

3126
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:52,880
address what i've said people go to the

3127
01:55:57,030 --> 01:55:54,719
meyer case and realize that not one of

3128
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,040
those clowns who've been misleading them

3129
01:56:01,750 --> 01:55:59,040
for years or decades has one piece of

3130
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:01,760
evidence and that speaks pretty poorly

3131
01:56:06,070 --> 01:56:03,840
for people who believe that load of crap

3132
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:06,080
and you're not being abducted by aliens

3133
01:56:10,870 --> 01:56:08,400
if anything you're being messed with by

3134
01:56:12,070 --> 01:56:10,880
our secret military and we can do other

3135
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:12,080
things on that

3136
01:56:15,109 --> 01:56:13,520
well michael we've run out the clock i

3137
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:15,119
want to thank you and everyone else for

3138
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:17,599
joining us tonight until next time folks

3139
01:56:21,430 --> 01:56:19,920
my name is stephen cambion reminding you

3140
01:56:24,070 --> 01:56:21,440
that it's better to get hurt by the